I agree. It may be time for RFC3205bis, but that's a whole other discussion.
Thanks Brian Carpenter On 2010-12-23 11:45, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Yes, I completely agree with that approach. Let's leave the judgments for > others... > > > On 12/22/10 3:23 PM, "Stefano Salsano" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> as a co-author, I understand the concerns raised by Brian and I agree >> with Peter's proposals to address them >> >> We can clarify that the goal of this draft is not to endorse the >> long-polling techniques (but rather to present the known issues and the >> counter-measures that try to mitigate these issues) >> >> I do think we should not go further and add a judgemental statement >> along the line of Brian's comment ("This is real example of protocol >> abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for this and doesn't do this properly") >> >> but I think that we can more neutrally add a sentence stating that the >> proposed techniques stretch the original semantic of HTTP and that the >> HTTP protocol was not designed for this use... which is a fact rather >> than a judgement. >> >> Stefano >> >> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 12/3/10 8:44 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This is real example of protocol abuse. HTTP wasn't designed for >>>> this and doesn't do this properly. >>> Which is why folks who are currently using long-polling techniques are >>> actively contributing to the HYBI WG. >>> >>>> The draft is non-judgmental, >>>> and that might be a mistake. >>> The draft is Informational and therefore isn't really in a position to pass >>> judgments. All it is trying to say is: we know that long-polling techniques >>> have many issues, but if you're going to use these techniques then at least >>> try to do so with some modicum of intelligence. We're making the best of a >>> bad situation, and if the HYBI WG is successful then hopefully people won't >>> feel the need for long-polling techniques in the future. >>> >>>> Personally, if I was in the IESG, >>>> I'd be considering a "holding my nose" ABSTAIN ballot >>> I'll be balloting RECUSE. >>> >>>> unless some >>>> text stating that the methods described are really bad ideas >>>> was added. >>> I'd have no problem with adding a sentence or two to the effect that >>> long-polling is a temporary hack that emerged from the applications >>> community and will hopefully be superseded by technologies that aren't so >>> abusive of HTTP. I'll confer with my co-authors about wordsmithing, if they >>> agree that it's a good idea to add such text. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> ******************************************************************* >> Stefano Salsano >> Dipartimento Ingegneria Elettronica >> Universita' di Roma "Tor Vergata" >> Via del Politecnico, 1 - 00133 Roma - ITALY >> >> http://netgroup.uniroma2.it/Stefano_Salsano/ >> >> E-mail : [email protected] >> Cell. : +39 320 4307310 >> Office : (Tel.) +39 06 72597770 (Fax.) +39 06 72597435 >> ******************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ Gen-art mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art
