On 28 October 2014 06:37, Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
<[email protected]> wrote:
> From my perspective, and with support shown in the WG, this is an option that 
> several people want. The need for a trusted authority is a minus point, but 
> acceptable by some users and should not be blocked because it is not ideal 
> for everyone. (The only other so far standardised options, based on shared 
> keys, also are not ideal for everyone.) If there were a method that retained 
> all of the advantages of this approach and removed the need to trust the 
> authority, that would be a different matter, but I do not believe such a 
> method is known. Note that this approach has at least one advantage Martin 
> had not picked up on.


I'm not sure that I'll be able to close on this quickly, since all I
have from Christopher's description is a distinct vibe of snake-oil,
which is very unfair and almost certainly hugely inaccurate.  I don't
believe for a minute that this is what we're talking about, so I must
be misunderstanding something.

As I understand the information flow, new nodes acquire a private key
from some trusted source, which is constructed in such a way that they
are able to make assertions about their identity (an IP address, if I
understand correctly) that will be accepted by other nodes who also
trust that authority.  I know just enough about crypto to know that
something like this might be possible, but it's outside of my direct
knowledge.

What I was thinking was that if you go to the trouble of using
asymmetric crypto, then you already have the pieces to build a system
that doesn't require sharing of private keying material between any
two parties.  Then trust can be disconnected from the authority to
some extent (you might trust X because of previous things X did,
whereas now, you don't know for certain that X is the same X because
the authority might have given the keys to a new X).

All that requires is that there is a two way exchange with the
authority rather than a one way exchange between the device and the
authority.  I freely admit that I don't understand whether there might
be some restrictions on the construction of the private key such that
it binds some additional information, maybe you can explain.  (Small
words, I'm not a cryptographer, I just use it.)

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