Thanks for the support SJ.

Does anyone know if there is a template for this?

It's this that they claim allow images like that to stay on Commons:

http://www.crucialthought.com/2009/03/03/creative-commons-licenses-cannot-be-revoked/

Someone else has jumped in and is arguing on some of this content shouldn't
be here.

...fighting the good fight,

Sarah

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would tackle this at the level of deletion templates.
>
> Flickrwashing is a known widespread source of copyvios.
> 1. There should be a template specifically for that class of deletion.
> 2. This should be added as a new reason for deletion to the
> appropriate policy page.
>
> A Flickr-imported image whose original uploader has had their account
> removed, and which has no other indication of copyright status, should
> be eligible for deletion.  This can be counterweighted by
> * significant educational value, e.g., active use (as the best
> available image) in multiple articles
> * significant reason to believe the image was originally posted to
> Flickr by its author [based on metadata or descriptions on the Flickr
> account at the time of import, or other online sleuthing]
>
> If either of these is true, we can take a risk and wait for a takedown
> notice.  But we should be as harsh on getting copyright confirmation
> for these images as we are for images obviously uploaded by their
> creator or someone who knows the creator, who fail to choose the right
> license template.
>
> SJ
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Sydney Poore <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Just a follow up...
> >>
> >> It doesn't even matter, anymore. Some of these images have been
> nominated
> >> before, and been kept. They all just keep stating I don't know the
> policies
> >> and that they are in scope. Perhaps it all is and perhaps I really am an
> >> idiot who just can't comprehend the policies, despite reading things
> >> multiple times.
> >>
> >> I think the policy about Flickr accounts being deleted and it doesn't
> >> matter is one of the stupidest ideas. Two of the images I nominated have
> >> incorrect licenses and were still uploaded from Flickr and "okayed" by a
> >> bot, despite the Flickr account stating they are all rights reserved. I
> also
> >> don't get how a deleted Flickr account can still be considered a
> "source."
> >>
> >> Commons is really good at making a smart person feel stupid and like a
> >> gnat.
> >>
> >> -Sarah
> >
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > I know that some of the images have been nominated before and kept, and
> some
> > of the images have to be repeatedly re-categorized, too. I get frustrated
> > and at times feel that it is a time sink with no end in sight.
> >
> > That is the reason that I wrote to the mailing list to discuss the matter
> as
> > an community issue. I have come to believe that is rooted in the culture
> > values of the WMF editors who add loads of these images to commons.
> >
> > We can't walk away from the issue because it is too important. We need to
> > discuss it so that we can better understand why that we are having
> trouble
> > addressing the issue in a way that is promotes an inclusive editing
> > environment.
> >
> > Sydney
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Toby Hudson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Sarah,
> >>>
> >>> The principle of least surprise is roughly the following:
> >>> People who go to a category/gallery/encyclopedia-article expecting
> >>> something (shoes) should not be surprised by something they may find
> >>> offensive (naked women wearing shoes).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> One way to ensure this is to make clearly labelled subcategories for
> the
> >>> potentially offensive material.  In this case, I made a subcategory:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_wearing_high-heeled_shoes
> >>> and within that
> >>>
> >>>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nude_women_wearing_high-heeled_shoes
> >>>
> >>> so everyone who visits that category knows exactly what they're going
> to
> >>> see in advance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regarding your Flickr question: Whether the account is deleted or not
> >>> doesn't usually change whether or not the picture is in scope.  But
> deleted
> >>> accounts do make the copyright status more questionable.  At the time
> of
> >>> upload, the bot would check that the license is correct, but that
> doesn't
> >>> eliminate the possibility that the Flickr user is uploading copyright
> >>> violations to their Flickr account ("Flickrwashing").  If there are
> other
> >>> likely signs of copyright violation, I would nominate for deletion (as
> I did
> >>> for the other image mentioned in this thread
> >>>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Young_girl_with_see-through_tops_and_shorts.jpg
> ).
> >>> When the account is still active, you can also check the rest of the
> Flickr
> >>> user's contributions to get a good sense of whether they are really the
> >>> author of the photos they're uploading.
> >>>
> >>> Snapshots aren't necessarily out of scope just because they're
> snapshots,
> >>> they're sometimes realistically useful for an educational purpose.
> >>>
> >>> Toby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Sarah Stierch <
> [email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Toby -
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry to be a n00b but, can you explain what you mean by "refactoring
> >>>> this category according to the principle of least surprise?"
> >>>>
> >>>> For anyone else - if you find an image that has been uploaded by a
> >>>> Flickr bot, and the Flickr account has been deleted what do you do? I
> notice
> >>>> a large portion of images like this are often snapshot uneducational
> photos
> >>>> (here is an example:
> >>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Labace_%2824%29.jpg) I was
> going to
> >>>> nominate it for just being out of scope because Commons is not a
> repository
> >>>> for snapshots.
> >>>>
> >>>> ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> Asking questions like this on Commons-L isn't very pleasant, so thanks
> >>>> for helping!
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sarah
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Toby Hudson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've made a start on refactoring this category according to the
> >>>>> principle of least surprise.  Feel free to do this whenever you
> notice a
> >>>>> "surprising" image in a mundane category.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regarding consent, if any of the identifiable women are in private
> >>>>> locations, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:PEOPLE applies, and
> the
> >>>>> uploader should state that permission was obtained to take & publish
> the
> >>>>> image.  If this has not been done, please either contact the uploader
> or
> >>>>> propose deletion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Toby Hudson  /  99of9
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Sydney Poore <[email protected]
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Category:High-heeled shoes is an excellent example of the current
> >>>>>> problem WMF projects are having with creating and disseminating
> content that
> >>>>>> is unbiased.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-heeled_shoes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This category is different that most all the other categories about
> >>>>>> footwear because it contains many images that are not primarily
> examples of
> >>>>>> high-heeled shoes. Most other categories about footwear contain
> mostly
> >>>>>> images of shoes or the lower leg(s) with a shoe or shoes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The number of images in Category:High-heeled shoes is higher than
> most
> >>>>>> categories about footwear. Approximately one- third of the images
> are of
> >>>>>> full body shots of attractive females who are wearing high heeled
> shoes, and
> >>>>>> a significant number of them are nude or posed in sexually
> provocative
> >>>>>> positions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are random women who are wearing shoes and are mixed in with
> the
> >>>>>> porn-stars and strip-tease dancers. These women are being
> objectified and
> >>>>>> sexualized without their consent because of the way the the images
> are
> >>>>>> displayed in  the category. See Wikipedia article on Sexualization
> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualization for a description of the
> term.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In each language that has Wikipedia articles about high-heeled
> shoes,
> >>>>>> the content is about a type of footwear, so the links in the
> articles that
> >>>>>> lead to commons are directing people to nudity or sexual content
> that they
> >>>>>> would not anticipate. There are other problems with some of the
> images,
> >>>>>> including unclear consent for the image to be uploaded by the
> subject of the
> >>>>>> image.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I see this category as a concrete example of systemic bias coming
> from
> >>>>>> having a male dominated editing community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Leather boots is only other category that I found that also has a
> >>>>>> large number of images of people. It also contain a disproportionate
> number
> >>>>>> of images of women who are nude or in sexually provocative poses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that it is important to continue to talk about these issues
> in
> >>>>>> the hope that more people with became educated about the problems
> with with
> >>>>>> our current methods to collect, categorize, and disseminate content.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sydney Poore
> >>>>>> User:FloNight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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