I agree. As you wrote this email, I was altering it to include the phrase "consent to publish". Your wording is better, I'll change to that. Toby/99of9
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Sarah <[email protected]> wrote: > That looks good, Ryan. Would it make sense to add something about the > release of the image? For example, > > "I personally created this media. All identifiable persons shown > specifically consented to this photograph or video being taken and > released under a free licence." > > Sarah > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:43, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I have created the new consent template: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent > > > > Here is an example of it in use: > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Splitting_logs_with_a_gas_powered_log_splitter.JPG > > > > I also added a new section to the > > Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons guidelines encouraging people > to > > use the new template. > > > > The wording of the template and guidelines don't mention anything about > > nudity or sexualization. This is on purpose. Hopefully, this will be a > good > > first step to increasing the value and visibility of consent on Commons > (in > > a way that builds consensus rather than warring factions). > > > > Ryan Kaldari > > > > On 9/12/11 5:49 PM, Toby Hudson wrote: > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > A draft template was actually made to augment the mostly recently voted > > [[COM:SEX]] proposal: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent > > > > The proposal closed with no consensus*, but with a few modifications, the > > template could still be put to good use. > > > > Toby / 99of9 > > > > > > *Mainly because it included a clause allowing admins to delete out of > scope > > sexual content directly in a speedy deletion rather than setting up a > > deletion request. There actually wasn't too much opposition to requiring > a > > statement of consent for identifiable sexual images, although there was > > some. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm both a long-time admin on Commons and an OTRS volunteer. I've been > >> wanting to chime in on this thread, but haven't really had the time. I'm > >> worried though that I'm about to see history repeat itself, so I want to > >> quickly share a few thoughts... > >> > >> First, the issue of consent on Commons has been passionately debates for > >> years, and has a long and tortured history. Before proposing anything, > >> please make yourself familiar with the previous discussions and their > >> outcomes. Most notably the discussions surrounding these pages: > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content > >> > >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_7#Privatemusings > >> > >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Nudity > >> > >> The point I can't emphasize enough is that if you put forward any > >> proposal on Commons that implies there is anything possibly problematic > >> about sexual or nude images in any way, you will be completely shut > >> down. The only way you have any chance to shape the policies and > >> guidelines on Commons is if you approach the problem from a > >> sex/nudity-agnostic point of view. Here's a good example of what NOT to > >> do: > >> > >> I think a general statement that permission of the subject is desirable > >> / necessary for photos featuring nudity would be a good thing - > >> thoughts? Privatemusings (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC) > >> I think the horse is beyond dead by now. --Carnildo (talk) 22:46, 8 > >> January 2009 (UTC) > >> > >> If the horse was beyond dead in January 2009, imagine where it is now. > >> That said, there is still lots of room for improvement. In particular... > >> > >> Commons already requires consent for photos of identifiable people in > >> private spaces. In addition, many countries require consent even for > >> public spaces. (Take a look at > >> > >> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_persons#Country_specific_consent_requirements > .) > >> The way this requirement works, however, is completely passive and > >> reactive - there is no impetus to proactively assert consent, only to > >> assert it when an image is challenged. This is a very inefficient > >> system. There are no templates or categories or anything to deal with > >> consent on Commons (apart from Template:Consent which is tied up with > >> the tortured history of Commons:Sexual_content and can't be used > >> currently). > >> > >> I don't think it would be incredibly controversial to introduce a very > >> simple consent template that was specifically tailored to the existing > >> policies and laws. This would make things easier for Commons reusers, > >> professional photographers who use model releases, and admins who have > >> to constantly deal with these issues. In short, it would be a win for > >> everyone and it would introduce the idea of thinking proactively about > >> consent on Commons in a way that isn't threatening to people who are > >> concerned about censorship. > >> > >> As soon as I have some free time, I'll whip up such a template and throw > >> it into the water. It'll be interesting to see how it is received. > >> > >> Ryan Kaldari > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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