I'm sorry Derric, but I think the topic of this thread is the notion that many men, including those in administrator roles (e.g. list moderators) simply don't even recognize misogyny, and don't recognize the importance of providing systems by which women (and others, for that matter) can easily limit the ability of people who have caused them problems from continuing to communicate with them.
The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive "email this user" emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that both have been, and continue to be, vectors for harassment and trolling. There's never, to my knowledge, been any consideration given to including these features. We keep being told we're going to get this wonderful new communication system called "Flow" to replace talk pages. Features that allow users to control who posts to their "page", or even to let non-admin users remove individual threads or posts from their "stream", aren't included - and I'm not sure they're even under consideration. And I'm going to be honest - I've seen more people blocked for "homophobic" comments than "misogynistic" ones. Nemo, your "Hm, we've discussed that author before... oh well." is really unhelpful and dismissive - and is pretty much exactly the kind of statement that Violet Blue is talking about in her article. It comes across as "She wrote something I didn't agree with in the past, so there's no reason to ever pay attention to her again". I am really hoping you didn't intend that. And Carol has a point. There are now more men posting to this thread than there are women. And most of you have missed the point entirely. Heaven help us from those who see themselves as our saviours. Risker On 23 June 2014 09:57, Derric Atzrott <datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote: > >> Carol Moore dc, 23/06/2014 06:34: > >> A lot of women used to be outspoken about all this here when this email > >> list started, but that stopped after a bunch of guys joined and started > >> hassling them about it. > >> SURPRISE!! > > > > By looking at this directory, I can tell that I mostly stopped reading > > this list in January 2012, one week after a fight between two vocal > women. > > > > Nemo > > Nemo and Carol both, I really don't like the direction that this > discussion is > going. Can we please steer it back on topic and remember why we are all > here? > > From the Mailing list signup page: > "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation > of > women within Wikimedia projects. > > Wikimedia Foundation surveys show that the participation of women in > Wikipedia > and related projects are between 9 and 13 percent. This mailing list is > provided by the Wikimedia Foundation as a communication tool to > collectively > address the realities of the gender gap within our projects. We are focused > on discussing solutions and exploring opportunities that may serve as a > starting point to improve gender equity, increase the participation of > women > and trans women, and reduce the impact of the gender gap within Wikipedia, > Wikimedia Commons, and the 'free knowledge movement'. We want to encourage > you > to engage with others in this effort. Your thoughts and opinions in this > regard matter to us and to the community." > > Thank you, > Derric Atzrott > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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