As A Canadian I would dispute that there's a "North American" culture that's the same for the US and Canada :)
But yes, I do know women outside of those two countries which are affected by this. On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:53 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: > do you know women outside the north american culture, i.e. US and CA, > affected by this? > > rupert > Am 03.07.2014 21:13 schrieb "Leigh Honeywell" <le...@hypatia.ca>: > > Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on >> editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the >> project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as >> "micromanagement" but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big >> picture /does/ require organizational leadership to address specific >> things. >> >> -Leigh >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Well, here's the issue. It's never been clear to me whether this is a >> > WMF-wide issue or it's an English Wikipedia specific issue. The >> > overwhelming majority of people participating on this list work almost >> > exclusively on enwiki, and almost every single experience discussed here >> > involves enwiki. >> > >> > As important as we all know English Wikipedia to be (if nothing else, >> it's >> > the fundraising driver from which the bulk of donations derives), it's >> also >> > only one of hundreds of projects. There are issues with the Board >> > micromanaging a single project directly, and pretty serious issues when >> the >> > Board tries to fix a problem on one project by creating a global policy >> or >> > rule that may actually be counterproductive in other areas. (And as we >> can >> > see from the obtuseness that Commons shows about such issues as >> personality >> > rights - a major gendergap issue in my mind - even when the Board does >> try >> > to intervene, it's often ineffective.) >> > >> > Risker/Anne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 3 July 2014 14:58, Leigh Honeywell <le...@hypatia.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> The more I hear about this, the more I think this is something that >> >> WMF needs to address at an institutional level (Board etc.) to resolve >> >> these process issues and loopholes. Has this ever been taken "up the >> >> chain"? >> >> >> >> -Leigh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You know, I sat on Arbcom for five years, and there were several >> >> >> occasions >> >> >> when I practically begged those complaining about the behaviour of >> >> >> certain >> >> >> individuals to initiate a case....but nobody wanted to do that... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Well, you know I did actually take one of the worst misogynists on >> >> > en.wiki >> >> > to ArbCom,[1] and it was such a horrible experience that I decided to >> >> > never >> >> > do it again. After giving up a month of my life to the case and >> enduring >> >> > constant harassment during the process, all of the evidence that I >> >> > painstakingly assembled, presented, and defended was completely >> ignored >> >> > by >> >> > ArbCom, and instead he was banned for a year for making a legal >> threat. >> >> > He >> >> > is now free to return on the condition that he simply agrees not to >> make >> >> > any >> >> > more legal threats. You were actually on that ArbCom panel, Risker, >> so I >> >> > don't really understand your argument that taking incivil editors to >> >> > ArbCom >> >> > is a good idea. To me it is worse than a waste of effort, it is >> actually >> >> > counterproductive and an invitation to be relentlessly harassed. >> >> > >> >> > 1. >> >> > >> >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Alastair_Haines_2&oldid=360884518 >> >> > >> >> > Ryan Kaldari >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Gendergap mailing list >> >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Leigh Honeywell >> >> http://hypatia.ca >> >> @hypatiadotca >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Leigh Honeywell >> http://hypatia.ca >> @hypatiadotca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- Leigh Honeywell http://hypatia.ca @hypatiadotca
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