A big thank you to Netha for conducting the interview, and thanks to this list group for your support. I don't edit in a vacuum so knowing you are in my wikilife is important to me. Again, thank you.
Will my interview inspire more women to edit? Don't know. But I do know we need the press to spin out more positive stories about wikiwomen and why we edit and how we work it into our lives. The HufPo interview and the Slate GGTF piece were published on the same day. If a woman read both articles, how would it affect her decision to click the edit button? ... and if the reader were a man, how would it affect his decision? It would be interesting if citizen-journalists posted some youtubes asking Joe Public to read the 2 articles and then give an opinion on how likely they would be to click Wikipedia's edit button. This may be a good idea for an IEG... how press coverage of Wikipedia effects the decision to click the edit button. It interests me; would it interest others? Has it been done? 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Carolmooredc's talk page now made uneditable (Fæ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:01:23 -0800 > From: Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) > Message-ID: > < > cakiglfplsr_8odehn65qpjkatjdfj-0nez-syjmtuay8wn+...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > yay rays of sunshine :) > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html > > -- > > Sarah Stierch > > ----- > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > www.sarahstierch.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/b22e928f/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:19:03 +0100 > From: Jane Darnell <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) > Message-ID: > < > cafvca-gl6w3hqxkbvkiapmezx+wwhyfzh3mvd6akjdsszbt...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > How nice! > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > yay rays of sunshine :) > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html > > > > -- > > > > Sarah Stierch > > > > ----- > > > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > > > www.sarahstierch.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/4f24d750/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:58:39 -0500 (EST) > From: "marinka marinkavandam.com" <[email protected]> > To: gendergap <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] Tim Berners-Lee says Net 'less free and more > unequal' > Message-ID: > < > 1893340124.27090.1418324319511.vpopm...@atl4oxapp02pod2.mgt.hosting.qts.netsol.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/7139e740/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 02:17:21 +0800 > From: Russavia <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > Message-ID: > <CALb-_zp2RSc8ko87vwYXQctdovKR0= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported > it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to > let you add any comments. > > If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership > list available check to see if this "Russavia" is > [email protected] > > All I am seeing there is: > > "You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it. > > Apply for membership or contact the owner. > > Report this group" > > Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list > noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did > that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case > it'd be great to have that lifted as well. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <[email protected]> wrote: > > I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into > trouble?" > > I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would do > it > > in a more considered and constructive way than something like that. > > > > Marie > > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > > > > I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every > > time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D > > > > -- Allie > > > > On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of > people > > from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. > Wearing > > my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the > > Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list > > members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible > netiquette > > that will get you kicked off this list. > > > > -Leigh > > > > > > > > -- > > Leigh Honeywell > > http://hypatia.ca > > @hypatiadotca > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 16:28:38 -0800 > From: Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] Fwd: FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop / > Edit-a-thon at Barnard, Friday (12/12) 6-9pm > Message-ID: > <CAKiGLfqhpvb9bijxZR4qZfzmv4TNYigtNXx_3+GxW7W8F= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > see below.. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Veronica Paredes <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:26 PM > Subject: FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop / Edit-a-thon at Barnard, Friday > (12/12) 6-9pm > To: [email protected] > > > Hi FemTechNet, > > If you are in the New York City area and interested in learning more about > Wikipedia editing, please consider joining us this Friday evening at > Barnard College for a FemTechNet Wikipedia workshop. > > *FemTechNet NYC Wikipedia Workshop and Edit-a-thon* > > *with Stephanie Rosen & Veronica Paredes* > Friday, December 12, 2014 > 6:00-9:00pm > 222 Milbank Hall, Barnard College <http://barnard.edu/visit/campus-map> > 120th St. and Broadway, NYC > > A collaborative event hosted by Barnard College Library, School of Media > Studies at The New School, and the Brooklyn Institute for Social Research. > This workshop will focus on the gender gap in Wikipedia through short > lessons, discussion, and hands-on editing. Please register > <http://goo.gl/forms/48iWSM3sKc> to reserve a space at our event (*all > welcome*!), and see our Wikipedia Meetup page > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/FemTechNet> for > information > on remote participation and updates on agenda items. For more information, > contact Stephanie Rosen at ssrosen (at) gmail (dot) com. Remote > participants can attend via BlueJeans video conferencing, please email for > link. > > ** *Building info: *Wheelchair accessible entrance at 119 St. entrance on > Clermont Ave. / Gender neutral restrooms > <http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/oma/gnmap> available on 1st floor > of Milbank Hall. ** > > ======== > *Full links:* > > Registration > http://goo.gl/forms/RAKZXssZ5Q > > Meetup Page > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/FemTechNet > > > > -- > > Sarah Stierch > > ----- > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > www.sarahstierch.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141209/5cb96199/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: ftn_wikipedia_workshop_flyer.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 164329 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141209/5cb96199/attachment-0001.pdf > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:07:24 -0800 > From: Kevin Gorman <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > Message-ID: > < > cajja524qu5_0y2b62evjh9djrwrbew758bucp_vqtmnvo71...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Sorry for not letting your message through sooner Russavia, for some reason > it didn't show up in the queue until today (the queue was completely empty > yesterday.) You aren't on +mod over this, though I'd have to look back to > remember why you were (and I'd be surprised if we didn't tell you at the > time.) > > FWIW: I know who set up the list and it wasn't Russavia and wasn't anyone > with an interest in gendergap issues. I've been having major health issues > and know I'm not on the ball on this one, but would advise not engaging > with anyone affiliated with the alternate list. The group that created it > is a group that has harrassed ENWP editors irl in serious ways in the past > and present. > > ---- > Kevin Gorman > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Russavia <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported > > it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to > > let you add any comments. > > > > If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership > > list available check to see if this "Russavia" is > > [email protected] > > > > All I am seeing there is: > > > > "You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it. > > > > Apply for membership or contact the owner. > > > > Report this group" > > > > Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list > > noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did > > that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case > > it'd be great to have that lifted as well. > > > > Thanks. > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into > > trouble?" > > > I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would > do > > it > > > in a more considered and constructive way than something like that. > > > > > > Marie > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > > > > > > I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and > every > > > time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my > taste. > > > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D > > > > > > -- Allie > > > > > > On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of > > people > > > from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. > > Wearing > > > my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, > the > > > Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list > > > members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible > > netiquette > > > that will get you kicked off this list. > > > > > > -Leigh > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Leigh Honeywell > > > http://hypatia.ca > > > @hypatiadotca > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gendergap mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gendergap mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gendergap mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/dc538bdd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:28:18 -0800 (PST) > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Sorry about the health issues and i have also removedvmyself from that > other list. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > ------ Original message------ > From: Kevin Gorman > Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 2:07 PM > To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > Subject:Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > > Sorry for not letting your message through sooner Russavia, for some > reason it didn't show up in the queue until today (the queue was completely > empty yesterday.) You aren't on +mod over this, though I'd have to look > back to remember why you were (and I'd be surprised if we didn't tell you > at the time.) > > FWIW: I know who set up the list and it wasn't Russavia and wasn't anyone > with an interest in gendergap issues. I've been having major health issues > and know I'm not on the ball on this one, but would advise not engaging > with anyone affiliated with the alternate list. The group that created it > is a group that has harrassed ENWP editors irl in serious ways in the past > and present. > > ---- > Kevin Gorman > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Russavia <[email protected]> > wrote: > Thanks to those who have sent me the info on the list. I've reported > it for "spam" and "other" -- unfortunately Google doesn't appear to > let you add any comments. > > If anyone is still a member of the list and they make the membership > list available check to see if this "Russavia" is > [email protected] > > All I am seeing there is: > > "You must be a member of this group to view and participate in it. > > Apply for membership or contact the owner. > > Report this group" > > Also, I've left a message for Leigh over on Meta at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Leigh_Honeywell#Gender_gap_mailing_list > noting also that I am on moderation on this list. I don't know who did > that or why, I wasn't advised about it, but if it was due to this case > it'd be great to have that lifted as well. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Marie Earley <[email protected]> wrote: > > I got one and thought, "Wait a minute, doesn't that get you into > trouble?" > > I've unsubscribed too. If I was ever going to burn my bridges I would do > it > > in a more considered and constructive way than something like that. > > > > Marie > > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 02:21:35 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Google Group invite > > > > I got one and promptly unsubscribed. I don't do google groups, and every > > time someone has invited me to one, I've found they were not to my taste. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > On 1 December 2014 at 02:08, Alison Cassidy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I didn't get one. Now, I feel .... cheated! :D > > > > -- Allie > > > > On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Leigh Honeywell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Someone purporting to be Russavia appears to have added a number of > people > > from this list to a Google Group with a similar title to this list. > Wearing > > my mod hat, I just want to be clear: this list isn't going anywhere, the > > Google Group is not WMF-sanctioned as far as I know, and scraping list > > members to add people to a third-party mailing list is terrible > netiquette > > that will get you kicked off this list. > > > > -Leigh > > > > > > > > -- > > Leigh Honeywell > > http://hypatia.ca > > @hypatiadotca > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/e7b1ae75/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:16:21 -0700 > From: LB <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) > Message-ID: > < > caht1ecuzketv0hryklgrrcuyeccojqtt9owo7qivlyh3uj-...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Makes me smile. > > Lightbreather > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > yay rays of sunshine :) > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html > > > > -- > > > > Sarah Stierch > > > > ----- > > > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > > > www.sarahstierch.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/92209455/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:34:56 -0800 > From: Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: > <CAKiGLfpZJMktA6jtHKfU4DEWTUE6jE9FXPN7p6Vt= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html > > GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW > > > -- > > Sarah Stierch > > ----- > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > www.sarahstierch.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/e54ecc01/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:34:18 -0800 > From: Siko Bouterse <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) > Message-ID: > <CALNCU3pUzhqDASF= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wonderful post by Netha, and Rosiestep never fails to inspire. Thanks for > sharing :) > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM, LB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Makes me smile. > > > > Lightbreather > > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > >> yay rays of sunshine :) > >> > >> > >> > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sarah Stierch > >> > >> ----- > >> > >> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > >> > >> www.sarahstierch.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > -- > Siko Bouterse > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > [email protected] > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. * > *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, > and help us make it a reality!* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/eedd4f53/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:38:20 -0700 > From: LB <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: > < > caht1ectfya6oon9xsx5awy+me3dfr_m3idw9tt3y+9ro8qd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Excellent! > > > Lightbreather > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html > > > > GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW > > > > > > -- > > > > Sarah Stierch > > > > ----- > > > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > > > www.sarahstierch.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/f5090e21/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:13:20 -0500 > From: Risker <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: > <CAPXs8yT9uJd3tg_XCLirwO= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I thought > the case name should be changed. > > Risker/Anne > > On 11 December 2014 at 17:38, LB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Excellent! > > > > > > Lightbreather > > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html > >> > >> GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sarah Stierch > >> > >> ----- > >> > >> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > >> > >> www.sarahstierch.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/0a558ea0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:33:27 -0500 > From: Samuel Klein <[email protected]> > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] Tor on harassment > Message-ID: > <CAAtU9W+zCatA=+ > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The Tor Project today put out a statement against online harassment, in > particular the singling out of women: > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/solidarity-against-online-harassment > > It's worth a read, and I'm sure they would welcome comments from other > communities. > > SJ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/da7f9291/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:08:49 -0800 > From: Christine Meyer <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Rosiestep in Huffington Post (yay good news) > Message-ID: > < > cahjpnzn3rcjtdxyyxi+xbjtsa+r0kyt4in4ta7rw+55gs1c...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yah Rosie! I am proud to say that I have met Rosie in person, and can > attest that she's a great person. Very nice article. > > Christine > Username: Figureskatingfan > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > yay rays of sunshine :) > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/netha-hussain/rosie-stephenson-the-woma_b_6302636.html > > > > -- > > > > Sarah Stierch > > > > ----- > > > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > > > www.sarahstierch.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > -- > Christine > ____________________ > Christine W. Meyer > [email protected] > 208/310-1549 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/ca1c775c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:47:31 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration > to show just how obsessed the media is Wikipedia's gendergap, but who > believes this loud mouthed woman? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force/media > > Of course I will have to point out I already was banned before I wrote > the OUTRAGEOUS comment he quotes. But I must admit it is an accurate and > well-turned phrase... ( “the Manchester Gangbangers and their > cronies/minions.”) > > I thought this all might happen pretty fast, way before I had my > detailed the scandal ad nauseam on my updated carolmoore.net website. > (It's 8 years out of date cause I spent too much time on Wikipedia.) I'm > so happy I'll be able to greatly improve my own site (and my others) > with all the brain exercise and research knowledge I've gained over the > years. > > CM > > On 12/11/2014 4:34 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/12/wikipedia_editing_disputes_the_crowdsourced_encyclopedia_has_become_a_rancorous.html > > > > > > GENDER GAP TASK FORCE FTW > > > > > > -- > > > > Sarah Stierch > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:55:40 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Tor on harassment > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On 12/11/2014 6:33 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > > The Tor Project today put out a statement against online harassment, > > in particular the singling out of women: > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/solidarity-against-online-harassment > > > > It's worth a read, and I'm sure they would welcome comments from other > > communities. > > > > SJ > > > Because of the recent possibility someone faked an IP to get an editor > in trouble as a sock, I've been investigating how the heck they do it. > I went to the Tor page and read enough to know I didn't have days and > days to figure it all out. (Or to figure out if some banned editors or > socks were paying $6.00 a month to use it to fake different IPs and fool > the check user program.) > > Reading the editorial I had to wonder if they actually are saying: "If > we think you are using Tor to harass people, we will stop you?" > > I'm sure lots of people would leave if they were. So I guess it was > only a moral statement - and a great one!! - but just wondering... > > CM > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/95c62898/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:01:44 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote: > > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I > > thought the case name should be changed. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the > hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until > someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people > got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO > got interaction banned. > > At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching > me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for > Deletion and an ANI. > > Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough. > > Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their > supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble > for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior? > > Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was > strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted > by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them > of that notion!!! > > So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there. > > CM > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:58:41 -0800 (PST) > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news > somewhere. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > ------ Original message------ > From: Carol Moore dc > Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM > To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > > On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote: > > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I > > thought the case name should be changed. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the > hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until > someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people > got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO > got interaction banned. > > At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching > me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for > Deletion and an ANI. > > Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough. > > Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their > supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble > for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior? > > Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was > strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted > by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them > of that notion!!! > > So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there. > > CM > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/52087934/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:10:52 -0500 > From: Risker <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: > <CAPXs8yQnVn= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well perhaps it would have made the news. Or perhaps the author was > priming the pump for the GamerGate arbitration case, with which his name is > closely associated. Or perhaps it's just coincidence that someone who has a > platform also happens to be watching the arbitration committee at this > particular time and commented on the case that just happened to close at > the same time. > > I disagree, however, that it was ever about the GGTF. This was a pretty > simple behaviour case and the behaviours submitted in evidence and > obviously considered by Arbcom went far beyond the GGTF, in the case of > pretty well everyone involved. It didn't take me long into my first term > as an arbitrator to realise that if an editor behaved problematically in > one venue, they were pretty much always behaving problematically in other > venues; in other words, the locus of the dispute was almost never a key > factor, it was the behaviour. > > If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then > the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant > sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity > at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that > many are reluctant to hear. > > Risker/Anne > > On 11 December 2014 at 21:58, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original message------ > > > > *From: *Carol Moore dc > > > > *Date: *Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM > > > > *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > > > > *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > > > > > > > > On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote: > > > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I > > > thought the case name should be changed. > > > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the > > hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until > > someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people > > got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO > > got interaction banned. > > > > At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching > > me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for > > Deletion and an ANI. > > > > Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough. > > > > Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their > > supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble > > for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior? > > > > Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was > > strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted > > by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them > > of that notion!!! > > > > So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there. > > > > CM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing [email protected]:// > lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/99a229a6/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:33:47 -0800 (PST) > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, > [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I dont disagree that there was some bad behavior, but i didnt see anything > ban worthy. I do disagree that the case had nothing to do with ggtf though. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > ------ Original message------ > From: Risker > Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 10:11 PM > To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > > Well perhaps it would have made the news. Or perhaps the author was > priming the pump for the GamerGate arbitration case, with which his name is > closely associated. Or perhaps it's just coincidence that someone who has a > platform also happens to be watching the arbitration committee at this > particular time and commented on the case that just happened to close at > the same time. > > I disagree, however, that it was ever about the GGTF. This was a pretty > simple behaviour case and the behaviours submitted in evidence and > obviously considered by Arbcom went far beyond the GGTF, in the case of > pretty well everyone involved. It didn't take me long into my first term > as an arbitrator to realise that if an editor behaved problematically in > one venue, they were pretty much always behaving problematically in other > venues; in other words, the locus of the dispute was almost never a key > factor, it was the behaviour. > > If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then > the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant > sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity > at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that > many are reluctant to hear. > > Risker/Anne > > On 11 December 2014 at 21:58, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news > somewhere. > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > ------ Original message------ > From: Carol Moore dc > Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM > To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > > On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote: > > Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I > > thought the case name should be changed. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the > hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until > someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people > got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO > got interaction banned. > > At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching > me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for > Deletion and an ANI. > > Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough. > > Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their > supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble > for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior? > > Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was > strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted > by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them > of that notion!!! > > So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there. > > CM > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141211/75d8e560/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 00:42:33 -0500 (EST) > From: "marinka marinkavandam.com" <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: > < > 504940498.47709.1418362953216.vpopm...@atl4oxapp02pod2.mgt.hosting.qts.netsol.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20141212/93e8e1bd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 01:36:04 -0500 > From: Carol Moore dc <[email protected]> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/11/2014 10:10 PM, Risker wrote: > > .. > > > > If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, > > then the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most > > significant sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer > > history of activity at the GGTF than those who had a short history may > > be telling a truth that many are reluctant to hear. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > What GGTF did was bring into focus for more individuals issues of > behavior (sexism, male dominance, negative female response to same) that > had not been as clear before. > > When it appeared GGTF might have the ability to change some of these > behaviors, it was forced to Arbitration by those who wanted to make sure > those behaviors would not be challenged. > > Arbitrators made it clear that a few female temper tandrums regarding > things like organized and repeated BLP violations or repeated harassment > over a number of years will not to be tolerated and would be punished > with the ultimate sanction. (Unless of course one takes the trumped up > and even fabricated accusations of two editors who have been harassing > me long term, one most definitely a sock puppet, seriously!) > > And they made it clear that systemic bad male behavior to forward > various agendas -- if supported by enough editors willing to have a fit, > quit, stack discussions with their supporters, vote out arbitrators, > etc. in an organized fashion -- would result in only a smack on the wrists. > > I think a lot of women quit Wikipedia after the first couple snide and > critical comments because they sense that that sort of sexist double > standard pervades Wikipedia. I'm annoyed with myself I put up with it > as long as I did. > > CM > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:52:30 +0000 > From: Fæ <[email protected]> > To: GenderGap <[email protected]> > Subject: [Gendergap] Carolmooredc's talk page now made uneditable > Message-ID: > < > cah7nnd1f9+n5ybnq_+cvzclxcpzfpkytyudghyn2w5l_7e2...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Carolmooredc > > After adding links to the Slate article to Carol's talk page, the page > has now been protected against all edits apart from sysops. In my > view, the gradual change over the last two years to seeing the edit > rights of banned users changed so they can no longer discuss their ban > or related issues, is a poor move for openness of the project, and a > distinct lack of belief in reform or the ability of the project to > welcome back past banned or blocked users. > > This case is doubly offensive as now nobody can use Carol's talk page > to ask about the ban or develop evidence that might help with an unban > request. > > I have raised a polite request with the admin that took this action at > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ricky81682#User_talk:Carolmooredc > >, > should this fail, then I can escalate to have this reviewed at > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection>. > If anyone on this list would like to support removing the edit block > on Carol's page, now is the time to make yourself heard on-wiki. > > Thanks, > Fae > -- > [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 47, Issue 10 > ***************************************** >
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