I hear you. But I think there are women who would be interested in a women-only space. There are plenty of places on-wiki to talk with men only, or women and men, but no place to talk with women only. For some women, especially women who have been abused or harassed, a women-only space feels safer, and they might not venture editing at all if there is no place to take refuge. On Jan 1, 2015 6:40 PM, "Marie Earley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay, deep breath. I have to say this... I am not a fan of women only > groups and I probably wouldn't join. > > I don't live in a women only world and I wouldn't want to. > > Yes we do get some men on GGTF and elsewhere who are either MRA and would > rather see us all rot, or they fall into the category of telling us what is > relevant or not in terms of the discussion, and that is frustrating. But > equally there are men who do not presume to understand our experiences and > are embarrassed that they belong to the same gender as the MRA and the > I-know-best merchants. > > I would not want to join a group that barred entry to this second group. > Frankly we this is fight where we need all the genuine help we can get. > > Marie > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 20:16:04 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] WikiProject Women > > So perhaps the question is how many women would be interested in > participating in off-wiki...I'm not really sure entirely what exactly it > is, although hypothetically it's mentoring and... well, I keep coming back > to I'm not sure what it is. > > I have a hard enough time keeping up with my current load, and am not > particularly interested in going to more venues, but I may be the exception. > > Risker/Anne > > On 1 January 2015 at 19:49, LB <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you, Heather! This is what we run into on the WP GGTF every time we > open something up for discussion. > > All I wanted to discuss the possibility of such a group. Are there any > policies that would make it impossible? How would we determine who is a > woman? Could inclusion/exclusion be automated? What might the benefits of > such a group be? The liabilities? What would its scope be? It's goals? > > Can we discuss this? > On Jan 1, 2015 5:30 PM, "Heather Walls" <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Tim Davenport <[email protected]> wrote: > > I for one would immediately be running the project through the Miscellany > for Deletion process. > > You don't see anything slightly wrong with this idea? Really?!? > > This is 100% unadulterated identity politics. > > > You say that as if identity politics is somehow inherently negative. > > > > Tim Davenport > Carrite on WP /// Randy from Boise on WPO > Corvallis, OR > > > >>Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia project that's open to > women, > or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the correct > terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.) > > >>I mean if we did it... what would the consequences be? > > >>Lightbreather > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -- > *Heather Walls* > Communications Design Manager I Wikimedia Foundation > 149 New Montgomery Street I San Francisco, CA 94105 > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] To manage your subscription preferences, > including unsubscribing, please visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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