Well said, Kaldari. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> wrote:
> I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we > really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing > art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights > activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize > off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a > blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and > trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If > anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep > them in check. > > "Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male > bias in them." > This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the "dating" > article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to > be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with > a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they > started with. > > Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't > write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes > and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look > better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make > great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I > would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! > > Kaldari > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: >> " >> >> *What we don't need, however, is more feminists."* >> is labeling and the double standard of "civility enforcement" >> >> as Djembayz said at Signpost: >> "the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive >> behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and >> sea-lioning <http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/> randos who >> congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with >> impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to." >> >> until the systemic bias in "civility enforcement" is dealt with, your >> thesis will be a dead letter with me. >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit >>> Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. >>> >>> What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are >>> interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without >>> being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can >>> be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Sydney Poore >>> User:FloNight >>> On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, >>>> >>>> My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). >>>> >>>> I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism >>>> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.> >>>> and was encouraged to share it with this list. >>>> >>>> As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your >>>> comments. >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Lukas Mezger >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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