Yes, and its patronizing to write a blog post about NPOV policy directed at the community members who organize community outreach events for feminists.
Especially condescending towards art+feminism community organizers who brilliantly executed a well thought out plan that included pre-event training materials and sessions, as well as materials to be used the day of the event. Maybe, we could assume that the people planning the events understand Wikipedia policy and don't need to be schooled about basic policy. The blog portrays the attitude that feminists who plan events are not true members of the community and need special scrutiny to keep them from ruining content. This is exactly the type of attitude that makes Wikipedia an unwelcoming place for people who are not part of the dominant demographic group or are newcomers with enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia. Sydney User:FloNight On Apr 9, 2015 2:30 PM, "Ryan Kaldari" <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I find the entire premise of this essay to be a bit misguided. Do we > really need to worry about tamping down the trickle of feminists editing > art articles on Wikipedia? There are easily ten times more men's rights > activists editing Wikipedia than feminists, and they actively organize > off-wiki to subvert NPOV. Why does no one care about that? Why not write a > blog post about men's rights activists running meat-puppet campaigns and > trying to white-wash articles about rape and domestic violence? If > anything, having a handful of feminists on Wikipedia might serve to keep > them in check. > > "Also, don't revise existing articles because you feel there is a male > bias in them." > This is terrible advice. For example, I significantly revised the "dating" > article a few years ago because it had an obvious male bias and seemed to > be intended only for a male audience. Why should people leave articles with > a male bias? NPOV doesn't mean leave articles with whatever bias they > started with. > > Also, I find it strange that your article implies that feminists can't > write from a neutral point of view. Feminism is about equality of the sexes > and opposing stereotypes and biases. It isn't about making women look > better than men or excluding the male point of view. I think feminists make > great Wikipedia editors. Look at Adrianne Wadewitz: 37 featured articles! I > would gladly take 1000 more Adrianne Wadewitzs as Wikipedia editors! > > Kaldari > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:23 AM, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> nice wiki-splaining - the problem with your thesis: >> " >> >> *What we don't need, however, is more feminists."* >> is labeling and the double standard of "civility enforcement" >> >> as Djembayz said at Signpost: >> "the rules on Wikipedia are not clear, the enforcement on disruptive >> behavior is arbitrary or non-existent. Online game players, vulgarians, and >> sea-lioning <http://simplikation.com/why-sealioning-is-bad/> randos who >> congregate here can be as disruptive and outrageous as they wish, with >> impunity. They don't care, because they don't have to." >> >> until the systemic bias in "civility enforcement" is dealt with, your >> thesis will be a dead letter with me. >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> This part of the "we" of Wikipedians...me..wants feminist to edit >>> Wikipedia, as well as people who want to solely add articles about women. >>> >>> What I ask of you is to stand back so that those of us who are >>> interested in creating an inclusive editing community can do so without >>> being hindered. Because there is simply no way that Wikipedia's content can >>> be neutral without a large and inclusive body of people creating it. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Sydney Poore >>> User:FloNight >>> On Apr 9, 2015 10:27 AM, "Lukas Mezger (Wikipedia)" < >>> lukas.mez...@wikipedia.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear readers of the gender gap mailing list, >>>> >>>> My name is Lukas and I am a German Wikipedian (User:Gnom). >>>> >>>> I recently wrote a blog post on Wikipedia and feminism >>>> <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Gnom/Blog#2_April_2015:_A_blog_post_on_Wikipedia_and_feminism.> >>>> and was encouraged to share it with this list. >>>> >>>> As I am very new to the gender gap debate, I would appreciate your >>>> comments. >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Lukas Mezger >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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