A lot of online threats, including death/rape threats, aren't really
worth taking seriously. They're just talk, rude-arse and not even
remotely productive, but still just the sort of dumbarse talk some
people try to do to bully folks. Blocking them is indeed reasonable, as
they are unlikely to actually act on it anyway, and there isn't apt to
be anything for the police to really act on either.
Mind you, if they give some indication of actually having the means
required to pull it off, like by including the target's actual address
and pictures of a bunch of guns they just bough or something crazy like
that, that's another matter entirely, and may indeed be cause to go to
the police. Personally I've not seen any of that, but it does happen
from time to time some places.
On 26/09/15 20:07, rupert THURNER wrote:
risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for
the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military
or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the
wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal
systems, with special rules applying. the police has the means to deal
with it professionally.
carol, if you get a death threat, why are you afraid of the police?
you pay taxes and at the end of the day you are paying their salary,
and are usually very welcoming?
rupert
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Risker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death
threats via their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the
majority of cases they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators
by the expedient of blocking the accounts with email turned off.
If you're saying you really don't want police involved, then I
don't know what you'd expect the WMF to do over and above blocking
the same accounts and the same IPs that can (and often are)
blocked by volunteers.
I do not suggest that harassment via email (up to and including
serious death threats) is a minor matter, but that the
"[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" is for
threats of harm to self or others that are published onwiki where
there is concern that police or other authorities should be
informed because there is an imminent risk of harm. Keep in mind
that that email address is staffed by a grand total of six people
(the Community Advocacy team) to cover the entire world.
Risker/Anne
On 26 September 2015 at 13:59, Carol Moore dc
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come
from a known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a
person who is known because it's the same kind of message they
have been known to send to various others many times before.
In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia Foundation
email and evidently that's what this person - and perhaps
others - enjoys doing. At the very least advice to contact the
Foundation also should cover such abuses. (Obviously if it's
an anonymous person through another email system, it's a
different issue. Though I believe the Foundation was happy to
help Sitush when he was getting those kind of messages.)
As an activist I'm reluctant to deal with authorities unless
it is VERY real and imminent. Those who want to report it
would assume their only recourse is to go straight to the
police who then will be the ones going to the Foundation to
sort it out.
That is the specific issue I was addressing and the person who
does that evidently is back to doing it, so perhaps others are
doing it too and women are just quitting Wikipedia without
telling anyone why.
I wrote:
On 9/26/2015 12:27 PM, Risker wrote:
Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide
threats and
similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g.,
"I'm going to
go shoot up my school") - in other words, that guideline
is intended to
capture situations where there is a reason to contact
police or similar
authorities because of an imminent threat to safety. The
person adding
the link probably did not really read through the point of
the page.
Speaking personally, I'd be pretty offended if I
complained that someone
was harassing me and was linked to a page about reporting
suicide
threats. Note that one of the shortcuts is [[WP:SUICIDE]].
I have removed that as a "Main article" because it's not
really about
harassment.
Risker/Anne
On 26 September 2015 at 11:52, Neotarf <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
@Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide
threats. Did you
mean to link to something else?
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Because of an offline discussion about the 1000
odd death
threats I got directly through the Wikimedia
Foundation email
system and my failure to remember personally
contacting them (as
opposed to admins) about it, I decided to see if
the Harassment
article mentioned that option.
I did a little research and found it was not til
July 22, 2015
that the harassment article section on "threats"
provided a link
to the WP:Essay that specifically advises this!
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Harassment&diff=672630056&oldid=672391122
Now why can't the threats section include that
info? Certain
some well-connected editors have learned how to
work that angle
with the foundation for even minor issues...
There's a huge section on what to do about threats
of legal
action, but zilch on death threats. Pretty
absurd... Safe
space, NOT!!*
Thanks...
CM
*Of course, there's a difference between
legitimate safe space
from actual direct insults or threats of harm and
the absurd
degree of hypersensitivity now a days where there
are trigger
warnings on any opinion that someone might
disagree with and
protests against opinions that just aren't
politically correct
enough... but don't get me started...
A lot of articles about it lately have exposed the
absurdities
and hypocrisy of some individuals and groups. And
I can
understand the fear of some male wikipedians they
will be
exposed to the most extreme varieties. It also
gives the most
oppressive guys an excuse to label minor and
legitimate demands
for safe space as "extremist." ("You extremist,
you want to
mention contacting the Foundation on the
Harassment page!!!")
Glad I'm not in college! Or any "progressive"
political groups
any more. Especially now that I am finally free
of having to be
a "good girl" on Wikipedia and can engage in
anti-establishment
mockery and sarcasm in my writings/artistic
endeavors without
worrying about wikistalkers slamming me all over
Wikipedia ;-)
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