"there seems to be no process to systematically incorporate these, even when they provide strong support for notability."
In fact, there's a lot of discouragement when you try to incorporate people from notable obits into the Deaths in 20xx articles: redlinks removed, stubs targeted for deletion. This only helps to perpetuate systemic bias. On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:32 PM, J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: > pete, > the article linked is listing NYTimes, WashPost, and LATimes. > not the paid notices > there seems to be no process to systematically incorporate these, even when > they provide strong support for notability. > > cheers > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Pete Forsyth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> At least in the USA, we have to be cautious about "what is an obituary." >> Newspapers also run "death notices" which (both in print and online) look >> much like obituaries, but are actually paid advertisements. I'm not even >> certain that the terminology ("obituary"=editorial, "death notice"=paid ad) >> is consistent across news outlets, I'm just reflecting what I learned from >> the specific papers I dealt with after my dad died. >> >> Any "systemic bias" in death notices would therefore consider a much >> bigger/more complex system than simply the editorial powers-that-be. You'd >> have to also consider what drives families to pay for death notices for some >> people more than others. >> >> -Pete >> [[User:Peteforsyth]] >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 6:07 PM, J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> some obits are not behind paywall. >>> a reference to do list would make good work. >>> >>> maybe we could get Mietchen or Magnus to make an automated list article / >>> category "list of people with obituaries" >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Links to lists in major news outlets (NYT, BBC, LA TImes, Toronto Star, >>>> etc.) along with commentary on gender bias in obits: >>>> >>>> http://forward.com/sisterhood/330631/for-women-gender-bias-continues-even-in-death/ >>>> >>>> The three women listed in the article do have WP articles. It would >>>> take some digging--paywalls, registration, etc,--to see if any of the other >>>> women do not yet have articles. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>>> visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
