Thanks for the reply Christophe, I appreciate you posting to this list and being interested in following community views.
Two points on this: * Can you tell us how much of the $500k will be spent developing software tools (which have been stated as having the objective of blocking more accounts) and how much of the remainder will be spent on better training and support of volunteers who have roles in handling harassment events? * My statement that none of the $500k is planned to be spent on approaching and supporting harassers so that they can recognise and change their behaviour appears to be supported, based on the text you have cut & paste into your email. This was the thrust of my email. If it's not true, can you link to some evidence of a different plan or strategy for spending this grant that targets longer term support of the alleged harassers beyond blocking their accounts? Thanks, Fae On 7 February 2017 at 10:31, Christophe Henner <chen...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Fae I'm sorry but that is not true. > > We've said so in many places and by different people, it is a social > problem and we will need to tackle it as such. Hence some of the work being > done. > > But yes, before tackling that part, we aim to provide a set of tools that > will make day-to-day management easier and more efficient. Because if we > want to be able to tackle the social issue, we must make sure the > "technical" part is handled and efficient. > > I paste here part of Patrick's email on the topic, 2 out of 4 areas aren't > tech. And those are first steps: > > > - Better blocking tools and detection - the Wikimedia community works > hard on the front lines keeping our users safe from harassment, through > monitoring noticeboards and recent changes for problems, investigating > “sock” accounts used to abuse contributors, and placing blocks on > problematic users. Improvements to blocking tools, and the ability to > detect harassing comments sooner can empower contributors to be more > effective at these tasks. > > - Reporting and evaluation tools - The current systems for reporting > harassment are overburdened and can be unclear to users, and there are > limited tools that admins and stewards can use to evaluate the cases and > make good decisions. New tools, developed in collaboration with > functionaries and communities, can improve the experience of reporting, > investigating and managing harassment cases. > > - Training for better handling of both in-person and online harassment - > Better training can give contributors the tools and skills to handle > harassment situations quickly and empathetically, document cases, and > provide good advice to targets of harassment. > > - Policy and enforcement - Wikimedia communities have developed a > variety of processes, policies, and approaches to dealing with > behavioural > problems. As a movement, we need to identify which are working well, > and > share those successes. We also need to identify where our approaches are > not working well, identify the problems, and try new solutions based on > research and data. > > (for reference his full email : https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-December/085668.html) > > > > Christophe HENNER > Chair of the board of trustees > chen...@wikimedia.org > +33650664739 <+33%206%2050%2066%2047%2039> > > twitter *@schiste* skype *christophe_henner* > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I find it depressing that the only actually *planned* way that this >> money is going be spent is on developing reports and tools to hunt >> down apparent harassers so that they can be blocked. Meh. >> >> For those of us that have experienced obsessive harassment, we know >> that this is not a cure. When the harassment continues off-wiki, >> sometimes for years, the only advice from the WMF or on-wiki groups is >> for the *victim* to vanish, meaning that those that were outed have to >> close down their Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. accounts with all the >> associated damage that comes with being forced to take a paranoid >> path; not even mentioning how the rest of the Wiki-community is >> affected by seeing how trolling does not stop until the target >> vanishes or goes in to hiding for a few years. A better use of this >> money would be to try new methods of engaging with the apparent >> harasser and consider ways of encouraging them to change their >> behaviour. >> >> I doubt that many of the trolls that post misogynistic, racist or >> homophobic rubbish believe in these views, they are seeking attention, >> for personal reasons they may not even understand themselves. An >> approach to harassment that offers experienced counselling and support >> to both victim and attacker has a much better chance of being both an >> effective and long-term solution. >> >> Based on the related email discussion, the WMF seem to think that >> long-term solutions are a community problem, so that's not something >> they have any plans to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on. I'd >> much rather see the smaller part of the money spent on more software >> development, and the majority spent setting up support services that >> handle alleged harassment in a more mature way, even if the people who >> are doing the real support work end up being us volunteers. >> >> Fae >> >> On 27 January 2017 at 20:16, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> >> wrote: >> > http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/craigslist-founder-donates- >> 500k-to-curb-wikipedia-trolls-1.3259781 >> > >> > Wow! When I think of the 2 plus hrs a week x 385 odd weeks of hours I >> spent >> > dealing with guys who just didn't like the idea that a "female" dared to >> > edit - or worse, change their edit - I still tear my hair out. >> > >> > I just hope it helps!! >> > >> > I'd like to go back in a few years when hopefully have accomplished >> other >> > goals. Or ENCOURAGE women to edit, as opposed to now having to warn >> them all >> > the time about what they have to do to edit safely! >> > >> > CM >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> > visit: >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> -- >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >> Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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