On Thursday 04 September 2003 20:54, Nadim Shaikli wrote:
> Isam, you know the history well.  When Arabeyes came on-line (more than
> two years ago) you couldn't even write you name in Arabic on linux.  Alot
> of things have changed, but one thing remains.  If you are serious about
> development and/or translation you will have to know english - there is
> no way around it.  There is nothing sad about that - that is simply
> reality.

I agree, At that time Arabic was not that possible, but now things are 
changes, and Arabeyes need to change as well.. at least change gradually

> What do you propose ?  Arabeyes will continue to mainly be run in English
> (we very much require and depend on external non-Arab support too). 

I disagree with this, as Arabeyes main source and power is the Arabs 
themselves, the non-arabs had been and will continue to be a great source of 
help, and assistance to the project, but they should not have a higher 
priority, and higher consideration than Arabs themselves.

> Instead of complaining about this (and if memory serves, you've talked
> about this for at least a year), I recommend you take-up the item and
> complete it. Take on the site and Arabize it - once things are Arabized,
> new content will have to be Arabized (or vice-versa).  Take ACE for
> instance - we will only publish new ACEs in both Arabic and English
> (always).

the question is: will the next ACEs it be English translated to Arabic or 
vice-versa...


> I don't see it that way at all.  Again my view is that the people who will
> contribute will continue to need to know English (how will you develop if
> you can't read various docs and howtos out there beyond Arabeyes ? and how
> will you translate if you don't know english).  So your point, although
> emotional, is not logical.

Well, I did not say to abandon English, all I am saying is to give Arabic a 
higher priority, and a higher rank than it is having now. 


> I again suggest that you "become part of the solution" and use your talents
> to solve this issue (you were a translation super-power, no ?).  The files
> above are a great start, if you would like to see what you note become a
> reality, bring it forth as such and make it happen.
>
> Let us know what you decide to do.

As for me, I can not commit my self to such big project, as the amount of 
content in English is really great (is size), and I do not have the time or 
the commitment to it at the current time. And to be frank, I do not plan to 
work on an Arabic interface for Arabeyes if it was not the main site 
language, as I think that Arabic Language should come first for the site, a 
simple calculation can tell you that more than 95% of the contributors to the 
project are Arabs, and use Arabic as a first language, and talking to them in 
Arabic is important, I will be really happy in the day that I see an Arabeyes 
announcement send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Arabic along with English. The 
problem is not translating the site, it is the will from your side. 

Yours
Isam Bayazidi

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