Hello Meor, Hmm... Does IE justification add tatweel between lam and alef even with the SIL Scheherzade font? Can you test that?
Thanks, Mete ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Meor Ridzuan Meor Yahaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: General Arabization Discussion <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:57:39 +0800 >Thomas, >Are you suggesting that the font is a tremendous improvement because >the font does not have any ligature? This is a sincere questions, not >to belittle you. I would like to share my experience in this regards. >Although I'm neither a professional font developer nor expert in the >field, I do find a problem with fonts without ligature. Of course , >this can be solve, but need some consideration. > >Actually, I've done some work on this to the extend that all typical >ligature is replaced, and I would say the font I develop is good. The >font does have more alternatives then just lam alef sequence. I've >sent a screenshot of the font to Mete, and Gregg if I'm not mistaken. >The positive point about it is that software will be able to display >an individual glyph with different colors. Plus, this approach will >definately works under Linux without any problems. So, that is the >plus side. >On the other hand, with this type of font, we will need some serious >work when trying to justify a text /paragraph. Paul Nelson describe on >Microsoft page that IE 5.5 supposedly have 3 mode for arabic >justification: inter-word, tatweel and newspaper (if I'm not mistaken) >Anyway, basically here's how the 3 mode should work: >1. Inter word: inserting spaces between words. This is the most >typical type of justification for any script. >2. Tatweel : this is specific to arabic, and the most common method for arabic. >3. Newspaper : spaces inserted inter-word and some intra-word. I'm not >so sure if tatweel is used. > >Anyway, that's the theory. When I try to use it (by using CSS), guess >what? The inter-word key does not work! It still insert tatweel here >and there. So, what is the problem? Just imagine a tatweel inserted >between lam and alef ! That is just an example, althgouh they might be >smart enough not to do that. Anyway, I can confirmed that tatweel will >be inserted , and we can't really control it. So, maybe not for lam >alef, but sequence like yeh reh will difinitely be effected. And is >does look wierd. > >After I found this problem, I stop further improving the font. I hope >this can be solved, but not sure how. Of course, this is not a major >issue, bt I do not want to waste my time much on something that might >not work. Just want to share my experience with people here. This is >one of the reason why I mentioned before that I really would like to >see people work seriously on Arabic justification problem. > >Regards. > >On 8/1/05, Thomas Milo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Here is a tremendous improvement over Microsoft's "Arabic Typesetting" font. >> By simply omitting all ligatures (even al-laah is absent!), SIL managed to >> produce two fonts that avoid making a mockery of the Islamic calligraphic >> tradition, while offering basic legibility for the whole range of supported >> Unicode characters. Not bad at all. >> >> The fonts do indeed look awfully familiar: one of them is in fact described >> as being "in a similar style as the Monotype naskh". Similar in style in >> this case is an artistic euphemism. The new naskh (called Scheherazade and >> for some reason spelled as in German - Persian: ÔçÑÒÇÏ Shahrzad) ) has the >> exact same tell-tale design blunders as the Monotype naskh, in the letters >> Sad and Tah: the top penstroke of the Sad extends under the base line in all >> positions (which in naskh is the case in non-final position only), the top >> penstroke of the Tah erroneously extends under the base line in middle >> position: here clearly some un-initiated employee mixed up Sad and Tah >> morphology, as the top penstroke of Tah never extends below the base line. >> Monotype in turn made these mistakes when copying the 1924 King Fuad naskh >> with only superficial knowledge of the subject matter (that this was in fact >> the case can be seen from additional tell-tale mistakes that Monotype failed >> to intercept when aorking from the Fuad naskh, and that, indeed, made their >> way into all Monotype successive clones including these latest ones). >> >> The accumulated mistakes of the Fuad naskh and the Monotype naskh found >> their way into the SIL naskh, so these latest fonts stand firmly in the >> Arabic typographic tradition. But it's a free download, so only professional >> type designers can complain. >> >> Together with the Gentium transcription font SIL succeeded in enabling >> scholars to prepare their publications in Unicode format, so that >> professional typesetters can ignore these public domain fonts without losing >> essential information. >> >> t >> >> >> Connie Bobroff wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > >> > You might like these new, free, unicode Arabic fonts. They contain >> > the Persian characters as well. >> > >> > >> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=ArabicFonts >> > >> > Windows users want to download the "Open Type" version and >> > Mac users need the "AAT". >> > >> > >> > -Connie >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ~ The ADABIYAT email list for Middle Eastern Literary Traditions ~ >> > ~ Archives (http://www.listserv.emory.edu/archives/adabiyat.html) ~ >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Conni >> e Bobroff wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > >> > You might like these new, free, unicode Arabic fonts. They contain >> > the Persian characters as well. >> > >> > >> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=ArabicFonts >> > >> > Windows users want to download the "Open Type" version and >> > Mac users need the "AAT". >> > >> > >> > -Connie >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ~ The ADABIYAT email list for Middle Eastern Literary Traditions ~ >> > ~ Archives (http://www.listserv.emory.edu/archives/adabiyat.html) ~ >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Mete Kural wrote: >> >> I'm forwarding this email about font tools from the unicode list >> >> since it is relevant to the recent discussion: >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> >> From: John Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:55:31 -0700 >> >> >> >> Adam Reisman wrote: >> >> >> >>> Can anyone recommend a program I can use to design unicode fonts? >> >> >> >> Professional tools: >> >> http://www.fontlab.com/Font-tools/FontLab-4.6/ >> >> http://www.fontlab.com/Font-tools/AsiaFont-Studio/ >> >> http://www.fontmaster.nl/english/ >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheaper options: >> >> http://www.fontlab.com/Font-tools/TypeTool/ >> >> http://www.high-logic.com/fcp.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Free tools: >> >> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ >> >> >> >> >> >> There is also a new shareware tool available from >> >> http://www.cr8.netfirms.com/index10.html >> >> but I have not tried it. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you are interested in developing OpenType fonts with glyph >> >> substitution and >> >> positioning, you will also want to take a look at Microsoft's free >> >> VOLT tool: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/VOLT.mspx >> >> >> >> >> >> I recommend reading most of the developer links at the MS typography >> >> website http://www.microsoft.com/typography >> >> even if your target system is not Windows. >> >> >> >> John Hudson >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Tiro Typeworks www.tiro.com >> >> Vancouver, BC [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Currently reading: >> >> Between silk and cyanide, by Leo Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mete Kural >> >> Touchtone Corporation >> >> 714-755-2810 >> >> -- >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> General mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/general >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/general >> > -- Mete Kural Touchtone Corporation 714-755-2810 --
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