Hi Niall,

On 2026/08/31 09:39:00 Niall Pemberton wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> From an Attic PoV, this process is already reasonably automated and
> takes no additional effort on our part - all the effort is on the
> Infra side.
> 
> Once the Board resolution retiring the project has been confirmed we
> generate a YAML file for the project which adds it to the Attic
> website and generates a set of project specific templates. One of
> those templates is for an INFRA JIRA ticket to shutdown the project's
> resources and that includes removing distributions and setting up a
> redirect.
>     
> https://attic.apache.org/process-howto.html#5-get-infra-to-lock-down-project-resources
> 
> An example of an INFRA JIRA for a recently retired project is here:
>     https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-28164

Thanks for this example.

> So my observations are:
>  - the real benefit of this is removing a task from the Infra team
>  - if the task is Attic controlled, then it will add a (small) step to
> our retirement process (I would prefer not to do that)
>  - if the task is automated by tooling, then Attic just needs to
> adjust our template for the INFRA JIRA (preferable IMO)
>  - Will this include setting up the redirect to the project's Attic page?
>     https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/servicemix/.htaccess

Given these procedures we could take an approach in ATR of seeing that 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/<project>/* is deleted and 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/<project>/.htaccess is updated to 
cause ATR cleanups and archival.

We could also discuss with them doing an ATR action to do the dist.apache.org 
steps.

Best,
Dave

> 
> Given the number of project retirements per year, I think it would be
> worth consulting with Infra whether removing this one small task from
> the things they have todo when a project retires is worth the effort
> to automate.
>     https://attic.apache.org/stats.html
> 
> Regards
> 
> Niall
> 
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 at 02:59, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Attic team,
> >
> > The tooling team can help the attic by automatically archiving all of PMC’s 
> > project releases once the Board resolution happens.
> >
> > We are working on the new beta release: https://releases.apache.org/
> >
> > The implementation detail we wish to discuss is should the Board action or 
> > the Attic committee start this retirement process? We are ready to support 
> > both. Since the Attic PMC is responsible for this change we wish that you 
> > would choose our course.
> >
> > If the Attic Committee wishes to take charge of performing all the steps 
> > then we will be building an Attic Dashboard. If completely automated then 
> > one is uneccessary. A delta admin view is likely good in either case.
> >
> > Best,
> > Dave
> 

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