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Dell will gladly sell you a server with no OS, and on higher end models,
they will still install RedHat for you. They just don't offer that choice
for laptops or home systems.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Braud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb gorilla was Re:
[brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of Linux on desktops
and laptops (found on /.)
That is good to know, if Dell hears bout this maybe they will do it also.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edmund Cramp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb gorilla was Re:
[brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of Linux on desktops and
laptops (found on /.)
> Yes - I bought a couple of small servers (512Mb / 1GHz / 30Gb RAID) from
> the local Baton Rouge Gateway store without any OS (they run FreeBSD
> now) - Gateway were happy to sell them and very helpful. They even
> recommended a local FreeBSD support shop to help with the installation.
>
> --
> Edmund Cramp
> http://www.emgsrus.com/graffiti.htm
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Larry Braud
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:57 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb gorilla was Re:
> > [brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of Linux on desktops
> > and laptops (found on /.)
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried to buy a computer from a major manufacturer
> > and ask for
> > "no" OS?
> > Larry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:25 PM
> > Subject: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb gorilla was
> > Re: [brluglist]
> > M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of Linux on desktops and laptops
> > (found on /.)
> >
> >
> > > That's true! I forgot about that. But what I actually
> > > meant was:
> > >
> > > "We should be able to buy computers FROM WHO WE WISH
> > > with our choice of operating systems on them"
> > >
> > > but then that's a far off Utopia, right? No, it's not.
> > > I'd say M$ pressuring Dell to stop selling boxes with
> > > Linux on them is a monopolistic practice.
> > >
> > > But then, what do I know? And I don't imagine there
> > > are many on this list who would support M$. I need to
> > > join a M$ supporters mailing list and argue there.
> > > Anybody know of any?
> > >
> > > John Hebert
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Larry Braud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > You can, remember Wal-Mart,$399
> > > > Microtel SYSMAR116 with Intel Celeron Processor
> > > > 1.0GHz Intel Celeron
> > > > processor 1.0GHz
> > > > 100MHz frontside Bus
> > > > 128MB SDRAM Memory
> > > > 40GB Ultra DMA Hard Drive
> > > > CD-ROM Drive
> > > > 56K Modem
> > > > MONITOR - NOT INCLUDED
> > > > OPERATING SYSTEM - NOT INCLUDED
> > > >
> > > > Model No. SYSMAR116
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping
> > > > sales of Linux on
> > > > desktops and laptops (found on /.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This ain't right. We should be able to buy
> > > > computers
> > > > > with our choice of operating systems on them. The
> > > > > following article shows evidence that Micro$oft
> > > > > pressured Dell into stopping the sales of desktops
> > > > and
> > > > > laptops with Linux on them. The last company I
> > > > worked
> > > > > for bought a Dell server with RedHat 6.2 on it and
> > > > we
> > > > > were very happy about it. But, I'm sure Dell
> > > > customer
> > > > > records are private, so how are we gonna know the
> > > > > truth?
> > > > >
> > > > > John Hebert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=1884&a=24242,00.asp
> > > > >
> > > >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dell will gladly sell you a server with no OS, and on =
higher end models, they will still install RedHat for you. They =
just don't offer that choice for laptops or home systems.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Larry Braud [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:51 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb =
gorilla was Re:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of =
Linux on desktops</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and laptops (found on /.)</FONT>
</P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That is good to know, if Dell hears bout this maybe =
they will do it also.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Larry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "Edmund Cramp" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:14 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S 800lb =
gorilla was Re:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of =
Linux on desktops and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>laptops (found on /.)</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Yes - I bought a couple of small servers (512Mb =
/ 1GHz / 30Gb RAID) from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the local Baton Rouge Gateway store without any =
OS (they run FreeBSD</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> now) - Gateway were happy to sell them and very =
helpful. They even</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> recommended a local FreeBSD support shop to =
help with the installation.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Edmund Cramp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <A HREF=3D"http://www.emgsrus.com/graffiti.htm"; =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.emgsrus.com/graffiti.htm</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
et</A>]On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Behalf Of Larry Braud</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:57 =
PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: Re: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to =
M$'S 800lb gorilla was Re:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > [brluglist] M$ pressured Dell into =
stopping sales of Linux on desktops</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and laptops (found on /.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Has anyone tried to buy a computer from a =
major manufacturer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and ask for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > "no" OS?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Larry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: "John Hebert" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:25 =
PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: WalMart: 1000lb gorilla to M$'S =
800lb gorilla was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Re: [brluglist]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > M$ pressured Dell into stopping sales of =
Linux on desktops and laptops</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > (found on /.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > That's true! I forgot about that. But =
what I actually</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > meant was:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > "We should be able to buy =
computers FROM WHO WE WISH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > with our choice of operating systems =
on them"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > but then that's a far off Utopia, =
right? No, it's not.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I'd say M$ pressuring Dell to stop =
selling boxes with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Linux on them is a monopolistic =
practice.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > But then, what do I know? And I don't =
imagine there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > are many on this list who would =
support M$. I need to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > join a M$ supporters mailing list and =
argue there.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Anybody know of any?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > John Hebert</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > --- Larry Braud =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > You can, remember =
Wal-Mart,$399</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > =
Microtel SYSMAR116 with Intel Celeron Processor</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > 1.0GHz Intel Celeron</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > processor 1.0GHz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; 100MHz frontside Bus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; 128MB SDRAM Memory</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; 40GB Ultra DMA Hard Drive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; CD-ROM Drive</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; 56K Modem</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; MONITOR - NOT INCLUDED</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; OPERATING SYSTEM - NOT INCLUDED</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
> &n=
bsp; Model No. SYSMAR116</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ----- Original Message =
-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > From: "John Hebert" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 =
12:26 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > Subject: [brluglist] M$ =
pressured Dell into stopping</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > sales of Linux on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > desktops and laptops (found on =
/.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > This ain't right. We should =
be able to buy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > computers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > with our choice of =
operating systems on them. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > following article shows =
evidence that Micro$oft</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > pressured Dell into =
stopping the sales of desktops</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > laptops with Linux on them. =
The last company I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > worked</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > for bought a Dell server =
with RedHat 6.2 on it and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > were very happy about it. =
But, I'm sure Dell</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > customer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > records are private, so how =
are we gonna know the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > truth?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > John Hebert</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
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