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I don't think this conversation about local computer shops is really helpful
because none of the examples given of "bad faith" practice are that
convincing. I don't know all the details about the transactions that we're
all hearing about third-hand but you have to remember that there may be good
reasons for each example so far:
"Tell the customer to buy a new system" - OK so the old video card worked
... now let's see how well a 1Mb Speedstar 24x ISA video card works in my
new 800GHz AMD box. Pretty Crappy is my guess - and they'd probably have a
customer then telling everyone that the new system that they just bought
from "We-Fix-Computer" was a piece of junk that didn't work right until they
took it to "High-Price-Charlie" who put an new AGP 4x card in for $230!
"We sell customers 1GB disks" - I assume that the argument is that you can
get a much larger disk for only fractionally more money. Does anyone out
there remember buying a 125Mb disk and wondering what the hell you were
going to do with all the space? There are some old BIOSs out there that
will have problems with any disk over 504Mb - if you're trying to keep your
old PC running and need a new disk you may find that a nice new 40Gb disk
just plain will *not* work. Not everyone has the money to buy a new PC and
$60 isn't a bad price to keep "ol faithful" running.
"It's cheaper on the Internet" - Duh - most things are. In general the cost
of shipping and the cost of sales tax tend to make the difference less
apparent. I always recommend that people buy computers locally because of
the customer support issues - it may cost slightly more at the local shop
but when something breaks you don't spend hour on the phone trying to find
out if there's any intelligent life in tech support in the Dakotas.
And that my 10cents worth.
Edmund Cramp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Computer Heaven = great local dealer was Re: [brluglist]
Linux box w/o OS
I heard some shifty statements coming from the back room of the computer
heaven in Hammond (which closed up shop btw) and I've stayed away from the
Baton Rouge store also ever since, seeing how they were both owned by the
same person. While purchasing my motherboard and looking around, I heard a
conversation in the back room. Someone's pc crashed for some reason unknown
to me and they brought it into computer heaven. Apparently the video card
was still very usable in fact and the younger tech guy thought that the
customer should know this. Well, the slightly older guy told the younger
guy to lie and just tell them that the whole computer was shot and they
could buy a new custom built one from them.
I've never had any problems with products I've bought from them, but I
don't think that what I heard said much for the integrity of the fellow that
was in charge that day.
Gerald Jarreau wrote:
I used to work at computer heaven. I was a tech and also their
systembuilder. This was over a year ago, and the smallest hard drive we put
insystems at that time was a 20 gig. I don't know who you talked to, but
Idoubt he works there anymore if he told you that. I now have my owncomputer
business. I would recommend Computer Heaven, or my own company(here comes
the plug) Access Computer Service (658 7770). Although, I still build
custom systems, most of my business comes fromcustomers who need fast,
reliable, onsite repair, and
-JerryJarreau-----Original Message-----From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mat
BranyonSent: Wednesday, A
pril 03, 2002 10:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Computer Heaven =
great local dealer was Re: [brluglist]Linux box w/o OSi personally decided
to not endorse computer heaven one day when i wastalking to one of the guys
behind the counter and he said that the 1 gighddcost about $60 (no, it wasnt
SCSI). i asked if anyone bought them, hesaidnot really, but they do put
them in peoples computers... this was a boutayear
ago...-matwww.redrival.com/mat -its not my fault----- Original
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:
59 AMSubject: Computer Heaven = great local dealer was Re: [brluglist]
Linuxboxw/o OS
I've been purchasing various pieces hardware atComputer Hardware in relation
to my work, and I'vealways found the service at Computer Heaven to
beexcellent and conducive to geekiness.Their prices may seem to be a little
high for someitems compared to on-line, but if you figure inshipping, it
comes out to about the same for mostitems.But the most valuable thing at
Computer Heaven is theamount of experience that everyone there has
aboutcomputer hardware and software. That service you can_rarely_ duplicate
at any on-line vendor. And if youdon't build your own boxes, they have a
very activegroup of hardware support guys building/fixing boxesat all times.
I assume the quality of their work isexcellent as well.John Hebert--- Bill
LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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256MB 133 MHZ SD-RAM, 40 GBHD,8MB 3d Video Card, SB16 3d Sound, floppy, 52x
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Doug<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, April 05, 2002 11:54 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Computer Heaven =3D great =
local=20
dealer was Re: [brluglist] Linux box w/o OS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I =
heard some=20
shifty statements coming from the back room of the computer heaven in =
Hammond=20
(which closed up shop btw) and I've stayed away from the Baton Rouge =
store=20
also ever since, seeing how they were both owned by the same person.=20
While purchasing my motherboard and looking around, I heard a=20
conversation in the back room. Someone's pc crashed for some =
reason=20
unknown to me and they brought it into computer heaven. =
Apparently the=20
video card was still very usable in fact and the younger tech guy =
thought that=20
the customer should know this. Well, the slightly older guy told =
the=20
younger guy to lie and just tell them that the whole computer was shot =
and=20
they could buy a new custom built one from them.<BR><BR>I've never had =
any=20
problems with products I've bought from them, but I don't think that =
what I=20
heard said much for the integrity of the fellow that was in charge =
that=20
day.<BR><BR>Gerald Jarreau wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""> I used to work at computer heaven. I was a =
tech and also their system<BR>builder. This was over a year ago, and the =
smallest hard drive we put in<BR>systems at that time was a 20 gig. I =
don't know who you talked to, but I<BR>doubt he works there anymore if =
he told you that. I now have my own<BR>computer business. I would =
recommend Computer Heaven, or my own company<BR>(here comes the plug) =
Access Computer Service (658 7770). <BR><BR> Although, I still build =
custom systems, most of my business comes from<BR>customers who need =
fast, reliable, onsite repair, and networking.<BR> =
=
-Jerry<BR>Jarreau<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A =
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[<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext =
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t</A>] On<BR>Behalf Of Mat Branyon<BR>Sent: Wednesday, A
pril 03, 2002 10:41 AM<BR>To: <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A><BR>Subject: =
Re: Computer Heaven =3D great local dealer was Re: [brluglist]<BR>Linux =
box w/o OS<BR><BR>i personally decided to not endorse computer heaven =
one day when i was<BR>talking to one of the guys behind the counter and =
he said that the 1 gig<BR>hdd<BR>cost about $60 (no, it wasnt SCSI). i =
asked if anyone bought them, he<BR>said<BR>not really, but they do put =
them in peoples computers... this was a bout<BR>a<BR>year =
ago...<BR><BR>-mat<BR><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
href=3D"http://www.redrival.com/mat";>www.redrival.com/mat</A> -its not =
my fault<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "John Hebert" <A =
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nt: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:
59 AM<BR>Subject: Computer Heaven =3D great local dealer was Re: =
[brluglist] Linux<BR>box<BR>w/o OS<BR><BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">I've been purchasing =
various pieces hardware at<BR>Computer Hardware in relation to my work, =
and I've<BR>always found the service at Computer Heaven to =
be<BR>excellent and conducive to geekiness.<BR><BR>Their prices may seem =
to be a little high for some<BR>items compared to on-line, but if you =
figure in<BR>shipping, it comes out to about the same for =
most<BR>items.<BR><BR>But the most valuable thing at Computer Heaven is =
the<BR>amount of experience that everyone there has about<BR>computer =
hardware and software. That service you can<BR>_rarely_ duplicate at any =
on-line vendor. And if you<BR>don't build your own boxes, they have a =
very active<BR>group of hardware support guys building/fixing =
boxes<BR>at all times. I assume the quality of their work =
is<BR>excellent as well.<BR><BR>John Hebert<BR><BR>--- Bill LeBlanc <A =
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href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"><[EMAIL PROTECTED]></A> =
wrote:<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">NICE Linux box (also nice =
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CD<BR>Reader,<BR>modem or 10/100 NIC, KB-mouse-pad, NO OS.<BR><BR>599.99 =
from Computer Heaven. They custom build it,<BR>so you can =
configure<BR>you as you like (some options, of course, will =
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