--- Nat Bayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmmmmmm..... Sir John, is that a hint of > sterotyping I detect?!?!?
Stereotyping? What exactly _do_ you call kids that wanna appear as 1337 h4x075 but can't figure out for themselves how to actually break into a computer, so they download somebody else's script that does it for them? > I agree that a large portion of root kits are used > by the younger folks, > but they are still written by somebody.... usually > not someone green behind the > ears, or just punchin keys. I never said the authors of root kits were stupid, or lazy. Just the script kiddies themselves. > A classic account of this is recorded on Steve > Gibsons website, found here.... > http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm > (not to mention some interesting reading) Very interesting reading and thanks for pointing it out. > Knowing how the enemy works and plays is just as > important as knowing what to > secure down on your own equipment, in my own lil > personal opinion that is..... > Otherwise, you're just traveling blindly..... > (Don't just know you've been attacked, but know how > you've been attacked....) Agreed. You are correct, if someone wants to do serious network security, they should be familiar with popular root kits and guard against them. But my point was that one should not start with locating and running root kits. One should first know the basics of networking and security. Analogy: Do you give a kid a gun if they haven't learned basic gun safety? Of course not. Root kits are a similar threat. > With the servers that I run, the biggest threat (not > to mention destructive), > have been the root kits (and variations of them). Then I will have to defer to your experience, as I have not been admining servers that get a lot of traffic. But the responsibility just fell in my lap, for get this, M$ Windoze servers... :P though I have the go ahead to start integrating Linux into the NT Network. Looks like I'm going to have to purchase Dustin's book now. > If > a serious (skilled) hacker > wants in your system, he's gonna find a way..... > period. Yup, absolutely. > Dude.... You're havin a Dell.... Um, okay. Still not sure why you got your panties in a wad over my previous message, but no offense meant to you. John Hebert > Nat Out.... > > > > John Hebert wrote: > > > Agreed. "Script kiddie" is a derogatory term used > for > > young kids who don't really know how to break in > > systems but instead run script written by others > who > > actually do know. > > > > So, you don't learn anything other than how to > launch > > a script. > > > > John Hebert > > > > --- Mat Branyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i'd love to help, i wanna learn computer > security > > > anyway... just please dont use the word script > > > kiddie... :( > > > ;) > > > > > > -- > > > -mat > > > www.redrival.com/mat --soon to be updated > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:06:03 -0500 > > > "Byron Como" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > A good place to start is : > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/ind > > > > ex.html > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 2:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] OT: Hacking > Lessons > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your time would be better spent in > > > learning > > > > > more about networking and system security. > Do a > > > search > > > > > on "linux network security" or take a look > at > > > some of > > > > > the books on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > Learning how to run the various root kits > won't > > > teach > > > > > you how to stop script kiddies. > > > > > > > > > > John Hebert > > > > > > > > > > --- Nat Bayles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Errrrrr.... > > > > > > Might want to do a search in google for > "root > > > kits", > > > > > > you'd be amazed what you can dredge > up...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nat > > > > > > > > > > > > \"Cap'n Buck\" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I maybe setting myself up for a blast of > > > "flames", > > > > > > but here goes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just purely from a defensive mode, I > want to > > > learn > > > > > > to "hack" and become > > > > > > > a 'script-kiddie'. The best defense is > a > > > good > > > > > > offense. If I learn HOW to > > > > > > > become one, I can maybe prevent someone > from > > > doing > > > > > > real damage to > > > > > > > MY computers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, with that said, if there is ANYONE > out > > > there > > > > > > (anonymous,of > > > > > > > course) that might be able to help this > ol' > > > > > > newbie, please e-mail me > > > > > > > privately at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All 'replies' will be kept in strictest > > > > > > confidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73's, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cap'n Buck, KA5LQJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
