yes boys and girls i am back... well just been lazy to redo my email address on the lug. but im back. also wondering if there are any companies lookin for a linux/net tech... i hate my current job.
sup john lata -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://oxygen.nocdirect.com/pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20030828/103bb8be/attachment.htm From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 28 08:20:55 2003 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hebert) Date: Thu Aug 28 07:29:52 2003 Subject: "Until Sun begins locking down.." was RE: [brlug-general] Mic roso: Insecure by Design Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I respectfully disagree that Sun could successfully "lock down" the concept of a byte-code driven virtual machine. Java is a different beast than the Microsoft OS or .NET. There is an already existing community of Java developers who would use the last open spec to develop a free virtual machine (see http://www.kaffe.org). Can you see the Apache Jakarta project using something that requires a licensing fee? I cannot. Now, I do think that Sun would try something stupid like this given a different market situation. The only difference between Scott McNealy and Bill Gates is just a few tens of billions of dollars. But I think Sun has a strong suspicion that it would backfire and alienate the majority of the Java community. But who knows what would happen? I really don't think Sun will ever be in the 800lb gorilla club. Maybe the 300lb club, but it will still not be able to throw its weight around. I'm looking forward to what Project Mad Hatter will do for Linux, in any case. Maybe that will be what breaks Linux into the good-enough-for-my-mother market. John Hebert -----Original Message----- From: Dustin Puryear To: [email protected] Sent: 8/27/03 5:15 PM Subject: Re: "Until Sun begins locking down.." was RE: [brlug-general] Microso: Insecure by Design In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just give Sun the chance. Do you honestly think that Sun wouldn't lock customers into their products, services, and protocols if given the opportunity? It's a natural desire. Microsoft too was an underdog, especially in the mid-90's when NT was relatively new and just beginning to push into businesses. There was a large user and system administrator community huddled around Windows since Microsoft was trying to market a product that would reduce cost, and, so they were told, headaches. Sound familiar? Java is basically open with a few gotchas. So is .NET. They can both get you. I think we have had this argument before, but about Apple. My point then as now is that just because a company is an underdog when it comes to a particular market or issue doesn't make it benign. At 04:57 PM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >You are a funny guy. > >Sun can't afford to lock it down as long as M$ remains the 800lb gorilla. >I don't see M$ losing its status any time soon. > >Besides, they would have to lock up the openly available JavaVM spec, which >would pizz off just a few (most) Java developers. There's always the >clean-room developed Kaffe VM ... > >So, comparing VB to Java is not a good comparison at all. Sun relies on a >community-developed Java spec. VB (and most M$ tools it seems) are designed >by hordes of marketing monkeys: "How do we fight Java...?" "I know, let's >develop an imitation called C#! Get it? C-Sharp! Like the musical notation! >Isn't that cool?" > >M$ lost their geek cachet a looong time ago. > >John Hebert > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dustin Puryear >To: [email protected] >Sent: 8/27/03 3:58 PM >Subject: RE: [brlug-general] Microsoft Windows: Insecure by Design > >At 08:49 AM 8/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >really learn how server computing worked for myself, instead of >gleaning > >clues from M$ documentation. > > > >And to be perfectly honest and self-incriminating, I am sending this >message > >from a M$ Windoze XP laptop, because my job requires it (VB >programming). > >However, my company is moving away from M$ and towards Java (whee!). It > >Until Sun begins locking down.. > >_______________________________________________ >General mailing list >[email protected] >http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net --- Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Puryear Information Technology, LLC <http://www.puryear-it.com> Providing expertise in the management, integration, and security of Windows and UNIX systems, networks, and applications. _______________________________________________ General mailing list [email protected] http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
