But remember that rooted Windows machines account for an unbelievable 
percentage of the spam that's out there.  And if they are on a corporate 
network, the server could be a Linux box with LDAP for Windows authentication.  
An account on that network would save you an awful lot of social engineering to 
get access.

On a different note, I think it's a sad state of affairs when people are 
willing to accept that the tool they spent a lot of money on (computer) won't 
perform as advertised because of numerous security holes or just plain bugs.  A 
few bugs are understandable, but the number in the MS OS's are a bit 
ridiculous. 

Thanks,
Fernando Vilas
Flores MBA Programs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
225/578-9081

Tim Fournet wrote:
> I think the problem is just that people have come to accept the fact
> that there are exploits like that on Windows, and it no longer surprises
> everyone. That and the fact that when you take over a Windows box, it's
> still just a Windows box. Taking over a Linux/Unix machine gives you
> something that's a bit more useful. 
> 
> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 13:34, Brad Bendily wrote:
> 
>>I've noticed this plenty of times before, but I had to
>>point it out this time. Just so we all know that we're not
>>totally bias against MS software. I was running an update
>>on my 2k box today. I have 4 updates, 3 of them have this
>>quote as the first line of the description of the update:
>>
>>"A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to 
>>compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it."
>>
>>You would think that their marketing people would step in and
>>find a cutsie way to word it so that it isn't so blatantly ugly,
>>but that's the quote.
>>
>>The 4th item says this:
>>
>>"A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to 
>>compromise a computer running Internet Explorer and gain control over it"
>>
>>It's one thing to hack the passwords on a box and "gain control of it"
>>but every security update that is released shouldn't be like this.
>>How many linux security problems let the attacker "gain control over" your
>>box? I'm sure there are some, but no where near the same number of them.
>>
>>It's not that we're all crazy zealots, they just make crappy software.
>>Why isn't it so easy for everyone else to see?
>>
>>
>>BB
>>
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