Microsoft has done a great job in training the masses to accept and
expect less. 

On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 14:16, Fernando Vilas wrote:
> But remember that rooted Windows machines account for an unbelievable 
> percentage of the spam that's out there.  And if they are on a corporate 
> network, the server could be a Linux box with LDAP for Windows 
> authentication.  An account on that network would save you an awful lot of 
> social engineering to get access.
> 
> On a different note, I think it's a sad state of affairs when people are 
> willing to accept that the tool they spent a lot of money on (computer) won't 
> perform as advertised because of numerous security holes or just plain bugs.  
> A few bugs are understandable, but the number in the MS OS's are a bit 
> ridiculous. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Fernando Vilas
> Flores MBA Programs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 225/578-9081
> 
> Tim Fournet wrote:
> > I think the problem is just that people have come to accept the fact
> > that there are exploits like that on Windows, and it no longer surprises
> > everyone. That and the fact that when you take over a Windows box, it's
> > still just a Windows box. Taking over a Linux/Unix machine gives you
> > something that's a bit more useful. 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 13:34, Brad Bendily wrote:
> > 
> >>I've noticed this plenty of times before, but I had to
> >>point it out this time. Just so we all know that we're not
> >>totally bias against MS software. I was running an update
> >>on my 2k box today. I have 4 updates, 3 of them have this
> >>quote as the first line of the description of the update:
> >>
> >>"A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to 
> >>compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it."
> >>
> >>You would think that their marketing people would step in and
> >>find a cutsie way to word it so that it isn't so blatantly ugly,
> >>but that's the quote.
> >>
> >>The 4th item says this:
> >>
> >>"A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to 
> >>compromise a computer running Internet Explorer and gain control over it"
> >>
> >>It's one thing to hack the passwords on a box and "gain control of it"
> >>but every security update that is released shouldn't be like this.
> >>How many linux security problems let the attacker "gain control over" your
> >>box? I'm sure there are some, but no where near the same number of them.
> >>
> >>It's not that we're all crazy zealots, they just make crappy software.
> >>Why isn't it so easy for everyone else to see?
> >>
> >>
> >>BB
> >>
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