Being a server administrator; I can tell you that the amount of spam my network gets is just freaking ridiculous. One server can process over 34000 emails per day and I bet only 200 of them where legit. Though my spam filters catch most of the crap, I think that email is going to be so over spammed that people will stop using email eventually. I have almost given up hope on my Cox email address. I have over 3000 emails in it right now and I haven't even bothered trying to sort through them.
I also think that spammers are thieves. They consume other people's resources and bandwidth for their own financial gain. Will Hill wrote: >Cnet is reporting that spammers have done the obvious and are making their >bots use ISP mailservers. Slashdot pointed to it: > >http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/2317243&tid=172&tid=111 > >They quote Linford of Spamhouse: > >/***************** >This will cause serious problems for the e-mail infrastructure, as it is >impractical to block mail with domain names from large ISPs. Linford predicts >that ISPs will see a growth in the volume of bulk mail they send and receive >over the next two months, with spam levels rising from 75 percent of all >e-mail to around 95 percent within a year. > > >"The e-mail infrastructure is beginning to fail," Linford warned. "You'll see >huge delays in e-mail and servers collapsing. It's the beginning of the >e-mail meltdown." >**************/ > >He then goes on to recommend further choking email from clients because ISPs >don't have the staff to educate their users. > >When cox blocked my email, I told them that this would happen. >Decentralization is what makes the internet strong. Port blocks don't help >anyone but the spammers. > >Infected or abusive computers should be disconnected until they fix their >problems. The user won't be able to tell the difference. Throttled email >that gets used up by spammers will look to the user as if they were >disconnected by their ISP and the problem of explaining things won't be >avoided. The source of the problem needs to be repudiated and that's >Microsoft's buggy software. > >I can only hope that ISP's see their long term interest. The alternative is >that no one will have email. Any alternative will be hijacked the same way. > >M$ delenda est. > >_______________________________________________ >General mailing list >[email protected] >http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > -- Blake Gardner Phone: 225.248.0035 Fax: 512-692-2666 modiphy <http://www.modiphy.com/> ::. Phenomenal Web Design ?modiHost <http://www.modihost.com/> ::. CRASH TESTED Dummy Approved modiphy.com <http://www.modiphy.com/> -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 3 00:28:46 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey Lee) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:28:24 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] The end of email? I told you so! In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I run a server of about 50 users, but dont see as much spam as most people claim. I do use about 6 rbls, spamassassin and spf checks. My FP rate is about 0.2% I have about 6 honeypots which I sign up at various spam zones for bayes learning. Does anyone else use SpamAssassin or RBLs? On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:11 AM, Blake Gardner wrote: > Being a server administrator; I can tell you that the amount of spam > my network gets is just freaking ridiculous. One server can process > over 34000 emails per day and I bet only 200 of them where legit. > Though my spam filters catch most of the crap, I think that email is > going to be so over spammed that people will stop using email > eventually. I have almost given up hope on my Cox email address. I > have over 3000 emails in it right now and I haven?t even bothered > trying to sort through them. > > I also think that spammers are thieves. They consume other people?s > resources and bandwidth for their own financial gain. > > Will Hill wrote: > Cnet is reporting that spammers have done the obvious and are making > their > bots use ISP mailservers. Slashdot pointed to it: > > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/2317243&tid=172&tid=111 > > They quote Linford of Spamhouse: > > /***************** > This will cause serious problems for the e-mail infrastructure, as it > is > impractical to block mail with domain names from large ISPs. Linford > predicts > that ISPs will see a growth in the volume of bulk mail they send and > receive > over the next two months, with spam levels rising from 75 percent of > all > e-mail to around 95 percent within a year. > > > "The e-mail infrastructure is beginning to fail," Linford warned. > "You'll see > huge delays in e-mail and servers collapsing. It's the beginning of the > e-mail meltdown." > **************/ > > He then goes on to recommend further choking email from clients > because ISPs > don't have the staff to educate their users. > > When cox blocked my email, I told them that this would happen. > Decentralization is what makes the internet strong. Port blocks > don't help > anyone but the spammers. > > Infected or abusive computers should be disconnected until they fix > their > problems. The user won't be able to tell the difference. Throttled > email > that gets used up by spammers will look to the user as if they were > disconnected by their ISP and the problem of explaining things won't be > avoided. The source of the problem needs to be repudiated and that's > Microsoft's buggy software. > > I can only hope that ISP's see their long term interest. The > alternative is > that no one will have email. Any alternative will be hijacked the > same way. > > M$ delenda est. > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > [email protected] > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > -- > > > Blake Gardner > > Phone: 225.248.0035 > Fax: 512-692-2666 > > modiphy ::. Phenomenal Web Design > ?modiHost ::. CRASH TESTED Dummy Approved > > <image.tiff><logo_treatment_small.jpg>_________________________________ > ______________ > General mailing list > [email protected] > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4059 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/general_brlug.net/attachments/20050203/576fb498/attachment-0001.bin From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 3 00:41:22 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blake Gardner) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:41:25 2005 Subject: [brlug-general] The end of email? I told you so! In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes i use SpamAssassin with about 4 RBLS. The 34000 number is how many emails my server processes in a day, not how many actually make it though the filters Jeffrey Lee wrote: > I run a server of about 50 users, but dont see as much spam as most > people claim. I do use about 6 rbls, spamassassin and spf checks. My > FP rate is about 0.2% I have about 6 honeypots which I sign up at > various spam zones for bayes learning. Does anyone else use > SpamAssassin or RBLs? > > On Feb 3, 2005, at 12:11 AM, Blake Gardner wrote: > > Being a server administrator; I can tell you that the amount of > spam my network gets is just freaking ridiculous. One server can > process over 34000 emails per day and I bet only 200 of them where > legit. Though my spam filters catch most of the crap, I think that > email is going to be so over spammed that people will stop using > email eventually. I have almost given up hope on my Cox email > address. I have over 3000 emails in it right now and I haven?t > even bothered trying to sort through them. > > I also think that spammers are thieves. They consume other > people?s resources and bandwidth for their own financial gain. > > Will Hill wrote: > Cnet is reporting that spammers have done the obvious and are > making their > bots use ISP mailservers. Slashdot pointed to it: > > > http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/2317243&tid=172&tid=111 > > > They quote Linford of Spamhouse: > > /***************** > This will cause serious problems for the e-mail infrastructure, as > it is > impractical to block mail with domain names from large ISPs. > Linford predicts > that ISPs will see a growth in the volume of bulk mail they send > and receive > over the next two months, with spam levels rising from 75 percent > of all > e-mail to around 95 percent within a year. > > > "The e-mail infrastructure is beginning to fail," Linford warned. > "You'll see > huge delays in e-mail and servers collapsing. It's the beginning > of the > e-mail meltdown." > **************/ > > He then goes on to recommend further choking email from clients > because ISPs > don't have the staff to educate their users. > > When cox blocked my email, I told them that this would happen. > Decentralization is what makes the internet strong. Port blocks > don't help > anyone but the spammers. > > Infected or abusive computers should be disconnected until they > fix their > problems. The user won't be able to tell the difference. Throttled > email > that gets used up by spammers will look to the user as if they were > disconnected by their ISP and the problem of explaining things > won't be > avoided. The source of the problem needs to be repudiated and that's > Microsoft's buggy software. > > I can only hope that ISP's see their long term interest. The > alternative is > that no one will have email. Any alternative will be hijacked the > same way. > > M$ delenda est. > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > [email protected] > > http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > -- > > > Blake Gardner > > Phone: 225.248.0035 > Fax: 512-692-2666 > > modiphy ::. Phenomenal Web Design > ?modiHost ::. 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