> this is rehashing old ground and the horse is dead.  there
> was a failure of communication; members/pmcs failed to
> trickle the word down in all directions.  the creation of
> the community@ list was partially in response to that, so
> it won't happen again.  so can we *please* stop hearing about 
> how people were left out of the loop?  yes, everyone knows 
> that; yes, everyone is sorry that it happened; no, it wasn't 
> deliberate nor malicious; and yes, steps have been taken to 
> hopefully lower the probability of it happening again. 
> complaining about it now, particularly since corrective 
> action has been taken, is imnsho a waste of time.  let's get 
> on with it.

+1 

> then imho they're just feeling sorry for themselves and i 
> have no patience with it.  it has been stated too many times 
> to count that a) the a-c commons project is being *defined*, 
> and b) the opinions of j-c people are sought to help in that 
> definition. so any 'disadvantage' is nothing of the kind.

Given that commons has not been fully defined, j-c people should join up
and help to define it in the best way possible.  This is the best
opporutnity that I have seen in a long time.  

The only thing I actually worry about is getting too many j-c'ers over
here, and not having an equivalent viewpoint from the non-java side.  If
the c/perl/python/yal side is not represented here, we may have the same
amount of 'brokeness' that exists in j-c today in some people's minds.

Scott

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