btw, regarding consistency: some projects have a us...@a.o (plural) list, 
others have u...@a.o (singular). I most certainly take the wrong one whenever I 
write a mail to some u list ;)

LieGrue,
strub

--- On Thu, 9/9/10, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:

> From: James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] 
> Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:33 PM
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg
> Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not
> something to
> > casually sweep under the rug.
> >
> > Partitioning the community between users and devs
> makes it very
> > difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable
> community.
> >
> > If projects arrive at the Incubator with an
> already-built user
> > community, then sure. Create separate lists. But small
> communities
> > should (IMO) stick to a single dev@ list until you
> can't handle the
> > traffic any more. If you started elsewhere with two
> lists, but your
> > list traffic is still "small", then I would recommend
> combining them
> > when arriving at the Incubator.
> >
> > It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so
> I'm simply
> > recommending that all podlings consider the impact of
> dividing your
> > community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I
> believe it is
> > rarely appropriate.
> >
> 
> And I'm all about consistency.  Most (if not all, I
> haven't checked)
> ASF projects have separate user/dev lists.  That's
> just how we do
> things.  It's really not that much trouble to have two
> different lists
> and just subscribe to both (if you're a developer). 
> That way,
> development "stuff" (votes, board reports, etc.) doesn't
> bleed over
> onto the user lists.  I've always subscribed to both
> lists for every
> project I'm on.  If users are interested in the
> development goings-on,
> then they can subscribe to the dev list.  Some folks,
> like us
> "mentors", might not be interested in user issues, because
> we're
> really not necessarily capable of answering the
> questions.  I don't
> want that junk in my inbox (or label/folder).
> 
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