Thilo, the point is that any mentor, champion or in other form involved ASF member MUST NOT give his +1 to any incubator RELEASE vote which is not IP clear!
It might be that incubator snapshots are not IP cleared yet, but there is certainly a much higher grade of review in any incubator _release_. Otherwise we would have to introduce a new 'Apache Incubator Software License' or kind of weird construct when shipping incubator releases... LieGrue, strub --- On Wed, 12/1/10, Thilo Götz <twgo...@gmx.de> wrote: > From: Thilo Götz <twgo...@gmx.de> > Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:01 PM > On 12/1/2010 17:56, Mattmann, Chris A > (388J) wrote: > > Hey Joe, > > > >>> > >>> Hrm, umm, so what's the difference > between this, and oh I don't know, > >>> some other library I pick up as a TLP > off Google code who claims their > >>> source is ASLv2 licensed? I have no > guarantee over there that the license > >>> issues are resolved either, yet we do > that all the time over here in Apache? > >>> > >>> So, I don't agree with your point. > >> > >> The major issues with liability are always tied up > in who releases stuff. We > >> aren't all that liable for code we are > redistributing from someone else's > >> release. But we are liable for releasing > code that is only being otherwise > >> distributed out of our svn repo. > >> > >> Don't believe the remarks of Niclas and others who > live in countries where > >> all copyright infringement violators are subject > to public stonings. In the > >> US damages are assessed based on how many times > and for what purpose those > >> infringements are actually done. > > > > I hear ya, and I believe you have way more experience > in this particular area than I do. I'm just saying that it > would be nice if we could eat our own dog food in this > particular accord, otherwise, what's the Incubator other > than an Apache-branded area of code that's subject to *even > stricter* guises. If you what you say is true, then it would > seem to me that projects would benefit then from going to > Google Code first, saying they are ASLv2 over there, and > then being included over here in Apache projects (in source > or binary form) -- they wouldn't be subject to the same > scrutiny that our Incubator podlings are. > > Oh but they are. I'm a committer on the new OpenNLP > incubator > project that's just starting up. It's Apache > licensed, but that > saves us nothing. We're doing a code grant, ICLAs > from all current > and previous contributors, etc etc, the whole nine > yards. The > fact that the code is already under the Apache license > makes hardly > any difference. > > --Thilo > > > > > But OTOH, it would be nice if we could reward > Incubator podlings for choosing to do it the "Apache Way" to > begin with by making some sort of easier mechanism for their > code to be included in other Apache projects, right? After > all the discussion about making it easier on podlings, I > would hope we are striving to make this the reality. > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > > Senior Computer Scientist > > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science > Department > > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA > 90089 USA > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
