I'll give it a couple of more days for folks to look into this, then I'll propose the community to start work on graduation.
Martijn On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote: > +1 to graduate. This is a project in a fierce space as Martijn noted, > and I think "incubating" is hampering its attractiveness. It will > become a swim or sink challenge as TLP, but doubt the forecast is any > better of staying here. > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Dashorst >> <martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Etch is a cross-platform, language- and transport-independent >>> framework for building and consuming network services. The Etch >>> toolset includes a network service description language, a compiler, >>> and binding libraries for a variety of programming languages. It >>> currently supports C, C# and Java. Support for Go, JavaScript and >>> Python is deemed alpha status. >>> >>> Etch has 4 mentors listed: Yonik, Doug, Niclas and myself. Currently >>> it seems I am the only mentor active. >>> >>> The facts: >>> >>> - We have roughly 4 active contributors: 3 committers and 1 person >>> responding to messages on the dev/user lists. >>> - We know how to add committers: the 3 currently active committers >>> were all not part of the team when incubation started. One of them was >>> voted in in the last half year. >>> - The community is diverse, or as diverse you can get in a 4 person group. >>> - We know how to cut releases. >>> - Reporting has been on schedule. >>> >>> The podling is IMO ready to graduate, but lacks a sustainable >>> community (as noted elsewhere). The podling started out as a project >>> of Cisco, and had an active group of committers, but when the economy >>> happened, the team was disbanded and effectively left the podling >>> stranded. >>> >>> When I think of the reasons why people are reluctant to join Etch, I think >>> that: >>> - being in incubation hinders adoption of the code base >>> - its use is not advertised well (e.g. BMW uses it in their Minis) >>> - competition in the networking library space is fierce (though not >>> too many libs exist) >>> >>> The project can address 2, 3 is something external and the IPMC can address >>> 1. >>> >>> Now the big question: is Etch a candidate for graduating to TLP? >>> >>> I think it is, given the facts. It will be a TLP with issues of >>> activity, but so far user questions, development questions are >>> answered and releases are cut. The website has been updated recently, >>> so I don't see an immediate danger of the project going south. I think >>> that graduation of the podling will be a good thing and might give the >>> project a bit of renewed energy. >>> >>> So... What to do? >>> >> >> Looking at commits in the last three months shows only two active >> committers [1] extending that to six months shows three committers and >> looking in the mail archives i see that extra committer has emailed >> the dev list last month so is still around. So i think it could be >> argued that there are three active committers and assuming they're >> independent of each other then technically that meets that aspect of >> the minimum graduation requirements. >> >> Seems like a borderline case but there are other existing TLPs with >> few active committers. I did a bit of digging about in the project and >> i guess my gut feel would be if the mentors are recommending >> graduation is the best thing for them now and are going to be helping >> out by being on the PMC then i'd vote +1 for graduation too. >> >> ..ant >> >> [1] >> http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20111001&path=%2Fincubator%2Fetch >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > -- > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java > > I live here; http://tinyurl.com/3xugrbk > I work here; http://tinyurl.com/6a2pl4j > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
