On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:45 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:40 PM Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I believe a PMC is capable of performing IP clearance itself. They have a > > VP that is an Officer and can take responsibility for the Foundation in > > matters of that Project. The forms/recording are valid, so I haven't > > suggested changing that (tho I'd like to see them move under /legal/, I'm > > not fussed about their location). > > > > I would hope that a PMC includes a note in their report to the Board, > that > > they filed a clearance form. That is just natural reporting. But that is > > quite different from one TLP being subject to another TLP's vote (whether > > lazy consensus or not). > > > > There could certainly be an argument that a PMC needs to be > double-checked > > by $entity. But that kind of second-guessing means $entity needs to > > double-check all commits and all release artifacts. We trust PMCs to get > > their IP done correctly, as they work on their project and make releases. > > > > What you're saying makes a lot of sense. I've always questioned the > benefit of TLPs submitting IP Clearances to the incubator, but not > questioned it because they're so few and far between it's irrelevant. > I get a bit crazy-headed when I perceive the ASF encroaches on the independence of a TLP. This isn't really a case of the ASF imposing, but similar. In my view, the Incubator cannot impede/affect the independence of another TLP. Structurally. The Foundation creates each PMC as an individual, independent group. Thus, I believe a few of these steps are just incorrect. I'd like our documentation to reflect the reality of the independence of our TLPs. I would however pressure that podlings are not capable of completing this > on their own, and that they should continue to follow the processes defined > already. They have knowledgeable mentors, but we should generally note > that the IPMC as a whole is responsible for the podlings. > Absolutely! The referenced page (and the associated guide) explicitly state it is for existing projects only. (the language could be clarified as "TLP, not podling", but yeah: definitely not for podlings) Cheers, -g
