> On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:26 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >> All, >> >> I'm wondering if the Apache Incubator is full right now? > > It seems that this question gets asked about once a year. The consensus > always seems to be that this may not be the right question to ask. It is > sort of like asking whether Hadoop has too many lines of Java. On a more > serious note, I think that the takeaway from each of these threads over > the years has been that the right question to ask is whether we're providing > podlings with support they need to emerge as TLPs ASAP. I think that should > be the focus of IPMC. A maniacal focus on getting the projects out either as > TLPs or to the Attic should, indeed, be a constant priority for us. I know I'm > in the minority when I say this, but I think this should be one of the few > areas > where IPMC and/or IPMC Chair gets to drive the inquiry as opposed to mentors > doing it. Wave sitting in the Incubator since 2010 is clearly NOT in anybody's > best interest.
In my limited experience with mentoring, there seems to be a spectrum of mentoring "styles" (for lack of a better word): 1. Active Mentors actively push/nudge/prod the podling toward what it takes to graduate. They ask questions like "Is it time for a release?", "What is the plan for expanding the community?", etc. in effect, the podling is pushed toward the finish line (graduation). The benefit to the IPMC is that podlings, theoretically graduate sooner, and graduate with an understanding of the *current* ASF policies/guidelines. 2. Passive Mentors are mostly hands-off and reactive vs. proactive. Email threads with "[MENTOR]" in the subject will trigger a response/review, as will VOTE threads, signs of community strife, etc. The benefit to this approach is that it forces podlings to learn to navigate ASF policy on their own (which can be daunting to newbies, but a skill that all TLPs should have). In reality Active/Passive is a slider that moves depending on the nature of the podling community all the way down to the nature of a particular interaction. I bounce back and forth with my approach depending on the context. My point is about answering "How to graduate podlings faster?" Which I feel Roman is alluding to. If we're push podlings to graduate, we may want to consider more concrete/documented criteria for greaduation. -Taylor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
