On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga" <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For > anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on > the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very different > under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted > somewhere else by one of the companies involved in Apache NetBeans.
A couple of reminders: Individuals, not companies, are involved in Apache projects. Having a third party run a service under an Apache brand requires working with VP Brand. > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop > > request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and > > incubator (who cause the problem). > > > > Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved. > > > > I will work with the board to determine the best form. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, > > it's > > > ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the > > cliff > > > notes are as follows: > > > > > > - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins) > > > - 8-13 machines/VMS are required > > > - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year, > > depending > > > on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how close we > > > come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are working > > > with > > > is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in > > case. > > > - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web site, > > CI, > > > new build machines) and the project (services, plugins, > > statistics), > > > which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra > > time > > > spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial > > phase. > > > > > > Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving > > the > > > go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to > > > host this. > > > > > > Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering > > > their > > > assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case > > from > > > the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine costs > > > may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free. > > > > > > Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the board > > > for > > > a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as well > > as > > > the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this into > > > the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and > > utilize > > > the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in the > > > coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when > > > approving NetBeans as a new podling. > > > > > > With regards, > > > Daniel. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > >
