I don’t have a strong opinion on the subject of this thread - whether it should be easy for ASF members to join the IPMC - but I have a strong opinion about a related matter - namely, how easy it should be for non-ASF members to join the IPMC.
The IPMC should be actively recruiting members of recently-graduated projects to serve as mentors of the next generation of podlings. I bet quite a few people people think that you have to be an ASF member to be on the IPMC or mentor a project. And we certainly give the impression that ASF members make the best mentors. But I claim that people who have just been through the incubation process also make excellent mentors. They have experienced the pain, and they know the answers to many of the IT- and process-related questions because they have just solved them. Like Sheng, I joined the IPMC before I was a member. The project I founded, Calcite, was close to graduating and I was active on general@ because being a podling is hard and raises many questions. Some other podlings were entering incubation and someone (I think Ted Dunning or Alan Gates) asked me to be a mentor. From that, I was drawn into other Apache projects, saw the broader Apache community, and was drawn into the worthy task of helping to govern the Foundation. For me, serving as a mentor was a way of saying ’thank you’ for the help I had received from mentors during incubation. And for the IPMC, it provided an active and engaged mentor, always a scarce resource. Julian > On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi > > My Apache journey started at Incubator, and as IPMC now(not asf member). I > noticed this requirement too. > > From the members I known personally, most indeed know Apache way very well. > And truely there is exception. > > Basically, I think removing this makes sense. > > 1. if this member has been incubator journey, such as being initial > committer of a podling, it is easy to know and should have taken part in > incubator ml much. > > 2. there are indeed asf members elected by other reasons, so, they are not > familiar w/ incubator, and need more time to learn too. Apache has so many > TLPs and ways to take part in, a member is not required used to be > incubator. > > My +1 on IPMC should have enough incubator experiences. > > Also, very open to know the history reason of this. > > Sheng > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com>于2019年8月9日 周五下午1:04写道： > >> Hi, >> >> Current any ASF member can come along and ask to join the IPMC. I assume >> this was put in place for two reasons: ( but don’t know the full history >> behind it) >> - There was a lack of mentors. >> - Is is assumed that if you are an ASF member you know enough about the >> Apache Way to mentor a project. >> >> I’m not sure if this is the case anymore. And while the mentor situation >> has improved I don’t think the above has solved the problem of having >> active members or mentors having the required knowledge and skills they >> need. >> >> So if you want to be a IPMC member and mentor a project then I think you >> need you have gone through the full incubation process yourself and/or help >> out with other incubator duties and get voted in as an IPMC member. Just >> like every other ASF project. >> >> What do other people think? >> >> Thanks, >> Justin >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> -- > Sheng Wu > SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
