Hi Tison

Technically, what matters is the IPMC vote (as you mentioned). The
"pre-vote" in the podling should happen before, but could be
"concurrent". I think your update is good.

As a separate discussion, maybe we could consider doing the release
directly in both general incubator and podling dev mailing list (it
would be closer to what a project does post graduation).

Regards
JB

On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 6:18 AM tison <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I opened a PR to modify the release guidelines [^1] under the Incubator [1].
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator/pull/145
>
> Briefly, I wrote:
>
> > During incubation, PPMC members learn how to govern an ASF project. A
> PPMC operates like a PMC but reports to the Incubator PMC rather than to
> the ASF Board. The PPMC release vote ensures that the Podling community
> participates in producing and reviewing ASF releases. Because the PPMC
> cannot make formal decisions on behalf of the ASF, the Incubator PMC
> provides the binding approval required for a Podling release to become an
> ASF release.
> >
> > The PPMC vote and the Incubator PMC vote MAY be conducted concurrently
> or, at the Podling's discretion, sequentially. The timing and conduct of
> the votes MUST follow the applicable requirements of the Apache Voting
> Process and the ASF Release Policy.
> >
> > The proposed release is approved only when both of the following
> requirements have been satisfied:
> >
> > - At least three PPMC members have voted +1, and there are more +1 than
> -1 votes from PPMC members.
> > - At least three Incubator PMC members have cast binding +1 votes, and
> there are more binding +1 than binding -1 votes.
> >
> > Only votes from Incubator PMC members are binding for the purpose of ASF
> release approval. The PPMC vote is a separate incubation requirement
> intended to ensure that the Podling community participates in the release
> process.
>
> This continues the discussion at [2]. And I noticed some historical
> discussions about the interaction between IPMC and PPMCs around releases.
>
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/j0008npmljw3j6ckko6o9tcrttgmgo1n
>
> Feel free to drop your comments and see if we should make any changes here.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> [^1] Basically, the Incubator does not define Release Policies. Legal and
> Infra do [3][4]. The IPMC formally conducts Podling's releases. Within the
> Incubator, we define guidelines to help the PPMC learn how to run an ASF
> project.
>
> [3] https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html
> [4] https://infra.apache.org/policies.html

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