On 12/27/01 7:21 PM, "Rob Oxspring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:51 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Jakarta Newsletter
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Rob,
>> 
>> It is indeed a great idea. However, the two editors given credit at the
>> bottom of the url you posted are Sun employee's who get paid to do the job
>> so they don't really count as 'volunteers'.
> 
> The example given was just through a google search on "newsletter
> site:netbeans.org" and not much thought was given to the contents (although
> the fact that it mentions Ant is nice).  The point of this is that I really
> hadn't noticed that te editors were sun employees and I certainly got the
> impression that more recent editors have been volunteers in a truer sense -
> perhaps I have been nieve :( .  In the mean time I'll look into the RSS
> agregator approach and "Reptile" (will investigate in the morning).
> 
> Otherwise; point taken - doing is a damn site better than talking - I guess
> I may take this over to ant-dev (ie where I may be able to do a half decent
> job) and try it on a smaller scale to see how well it goes down to begin
> with and expand later...

Don't give up too easily :)

I'll help if you want.  We can co-opt others by simply asking them to write
a short note about what's going on in the various projects.  Everyone likes
to write about themselves, and we can just glom the stuff together,
wordsmith here and there, and then we have a nice little newsletter that
tells what's going on where....

So if you are game for an approach like this, I'll help, and we can get
started immediately...

Geir

> 
>> 
>> The Jakarta project has plenty of great minds and thus great
>> ideas. What we
>> are lacking is great volunteers. Everyone is too busy bitching
>> about what an
>> asshole I am.
>> 
>> So, my suggestion is that if you would like to see this done, you start
>> working on it yourself...not worrying about how bad an editor you
>> are...and
>> just post *something*. That will encourage others to help you edit and
>> create it (it is hard to complain about something without helping out).
>> Discussing how things should be done won't get you anywhere.
>> 
>> This is the same tactic that I used when I created Anakia [1] which is now
>> used to create most of the Jakarta websites as well as www.apache.org and
>> httpd.apache.org. It isn't the most perfect tool [2], but it does the job
>> well, people adopted it quickly and the bitching about Styleweb (the
>> previous tool) stopped.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> 
>> -jon

-- 
Geir Magnusson Jr.                                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
System and Software Consulting
"He who throws mud only loses ground." - Fat Albert


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