At 19:02 07.01.2002 +0100, you wrote: >> Being PMC chair isn't going to help solve any problems because of >> our system of checks and balances. > >I just love "checks and balances". >It is the least perfect system except for all the others already tried.
Did you know that the delegates of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were fearful of "popular rule" and hence the convoluted way for electing the US President? See Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3 of the US Constitution. Amendment 12 changed the election system such that the people of a state voted directly for the electors instead of the state legislatures selecting the electors. The current system is still somewhat outdated as the recent Presidential elections have shown. I am bringing this up because fear of popular rule is deeply ingrained in our psyches. This was so in 1787, still is in 2001. Anyway, I am not suggesting we create a system of checks and balances with judges, legislature and an executive. Jakarta is too small for that. Jakarta is much more like a software company then a nation. It should be run as such. Jakarta committers can be viewed as the shareholders of Jakarta. In Switzerland, the ultimate decisional power of a corporation is vested in the general assembly, that is the assembly of shareholders. The same holds true in the rest of Europe and most probably in the US and the rest of the world as well. We are all volunteers. Thus, it is impossible to dictate to Apache developers. However, they can be convinced, cajoled or gently pressured. Peer pressure is extremely effective but requires consensus. Consensus about the community's will, not your or my will, but the larger group's will, can be achieved as a result of a vote. In short: We vote. We get a decision about what we want. We implement what we want. Does it make sense? Regards, Ceki >Have fun, >Paulo Gaspar > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 6:04 PM >> >> >> on 1/7/02 8:55 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Be forewarned that the Apache tradition is to allow people with enough >> > "fire in their belly" to tackle a particular problem that is important >> > to them the freedom to do so. If the problems you see are something >> > that you feel need tackling and the only effective way in >> which this can >> > be accomplished is for you to become the Jakarta PMC chair, >> then I could >> > certainly arrange for an election to take place. I can't guarantee the >> > results of the election or the success of your quest, but I can do my >> > part to enable you to pursue your goals. >> > >> > Think about this for a while, and let me know if this is a >> path you wish >> > to pursue. >> > >> > - Sam Ruby >> >> Being PMC chair isn't going to help solve any problems because of >> our system >> of checks and balances. >> >> In other words, I don't see PMC chair being any more important or >> special or >> enabled than simply being a member of the PMC, which I already am. >> >> As I already said, I also don't think I have enough backing to: >> >> #1. Get voted into being the PMC chair. >> #2. Make enough of a change to help turn Jakarta around from a slow >> spiraling death. >> >> -jon > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Ceki G�lc� - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
