On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Ceki G�lc� wrote:
> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:56:30 +0100
> From: Ceki G�lc� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Commons Validator Packaging/Content
>
> At 19:00 07.01.2002 +0100, Paulo Gaspar wrote:
> >> Jon wrote:
> >>
> >> There is no community. There is projects which have people who follow them
> >> blindly.
> >
> >I do not believe that.
> >
> >What I am seeing are the same signs Sam sees:
> >
> >> Sam wrote:
> >>
> >> In my, admittedly biased, perspective, I see significant improvement in
> >> terms of community over the course of the past eleven months or so. For
> >> starters, the following results would have been inconceivable at the time:
> >>
> >> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/2002-01-07/
> >>
> >> I also see an initiative by Ted and others to build a commons are which
> >> promotes reuse. Conscientious objectors notwithstanding, they plow
> >> relentlessly ahead, continuing to make incremental and enduring progress.
>
> Projects building cleanly is very nice and gump is great. However, I
> would not declare victory just yet. (Very few people can resists Sam's
> polite nudges.) Jon's concerns about the existence of a community are
> valid and should not be lightly dismissed.
>
They aren't being dismissed, but the sky isn't falling either.
Perusing Gump's cross reference page is quite interesting:
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/xref.html
Just to pick an example of a package I'm involved in, check out the line
for commons-digester:
... jakarta-turbine-tdk maven scarab ...
as well as the developers who have recently been adding features and
tests. That would have *never* happened a year ago (when this code was
inside the Struts community and Commons didn't exist).
The point from Jon that I *do* dismiss is his feeling that there should be
one and only one implementation of any particular functionality -- "one
size fits all" is a very rare phenomenon in my experience, and having some
choice is helpful.
> With the pending/rumored commercialization of SourceForge there will be
> even larger hordes of projects wanting to be hosted under Jakarta.
> What will we do then?
We will continue to do what we've done in the past -- reject projects that
only want the "name recognition" value of being under Apache, and don't
have a development community compatible with Apache's style. That's much
more important than whether it's server-side versus client-side, or in one
repository versus another.
> Regards, Ceki
>
Craig
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