on 1/7/02 12:44 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think many folks on > the list aren't listening to each other let alone to someone from the > outer circle. That is my complaint about not just this list, but the entire project. We have people like Ted and Craig who are perfectly happy just sitting in their bubble sub-projects and doing whatever they want and you have people like myself who see a larger picture of what Jakarta is (or could be) and want to see people work together more and create less duplication of exactly the same functionality. Yes, that statement is based on their previous postings. > Its funny I kind of agree with some (but not all) of the points that Jon > guy makes but he seems to want to make them in such a way that they are > divisive instead of providing the leadership Stefano praises him for. > Leadership is taking the boat and sailing it and inviting others to come > along not sitting in the back complaining about the heading or > proclaiming "its just going to sink and the hell with you all maybe I'll > quit". I hope he sees this and becomes the guy Stefano says he is. The problem is that I feel like the boat has already capsized, sank and rotted on the ocean floor. At this point, I'm pretty disheartened about Jakarta...more so than I have felt in over 6 years of being here. I have no other way to express my unhappiness than to express it by saying it. I feel like I can't change things anymore and about the only person who could is Sam, but I am not seeing him take the reigns in such a way to rebuild the ship...only to try to a lifeboat together over the next few years... If you look at how Scarab is run, we are pretty damn successful at this point with regards to building and managing a strong developer community around it. And it isn't even a Jakarta project. I personally see the model I have used for Scarab as pretty close to right way to run projects. Not that it is a contest, but I can guarantee I feel more crushed than you. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
