From: "acoliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:35:55 -0000 "James Strachan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote.
> >> JMS is not
> >> appropriate for a number of areas.
> >
> >Like what?
> >
>
> UI, guaranteed failure situations.

I don't follow. JMS/MOM is one of the only solutions where clients and
servers work in a connectionless way - clients and servers don't need to be
running at the same time. The system can handle failures gracefully, with
persistent messages, retry, reconciliation, load balancing, fault tolerance
etc.

>
> >> In truth I've not yet learned enough
> >> about SOAP to speak intelligently  about it
> >
> >All I'll say is I think SOAP has a much better future than EJBs.
> >
>
> From what I've read I'd tend to agree, though it looks...bulky.

Agreed - though its a universal messaging format that can pass across all
transports; which is kinda handy. So whether http/email/news/MOM is used you
can connect anything to anything across diverse transports.

> >I was just emphasizing that web applications are scalable - just add more
> >boxes - and often they require quite modest hardware. EJB systems on the
> >other hand can often need huge machines just to make quite simple
systems.
> >
>
> Agreed.  I have fully stated: EJB sucks.  However it would be nice to have
> something there where you can isolate your database resources into a pool
of
> *servers* such as with any transaction processing system (going back to
even
> DCE crap -- which did suck too, but served a purpose)

Totally agree. I think adding TP type abilities to web/MOM/SOAP would be
cool.

> So it looks like we basically agree. ;-)  We're very verbose guys ;-)

+10 ;-)

James


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