On 3/23/02 11:03 AM, "Ceki Gülcü" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:50 23.03.2002 -0500, you wrote: >> On 3/22/02 12:19 PM, "James Strachan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> A thought struck me today which is probably totally obvious to folk but I >>> thought I'd share it anyways. Sun gets pots of cash from companies who >>> develop J2EE compliant software from the J2EE license fees. So its in Sun's >>> interest to protect the BEA's, IBM's and their own J2EE products. The money >>> they get is based on revenue of the company (so thats quite a lot of money >>> from BEA & IBM). >>> >>> The money-men at Sun probably see open source J2EE solutions as lost >> revenue >>> to possible commercial J2EE solutions so when folks like JBoss come along >>> they see it as in Sun's interest to not certify them to protect their J2EE >>> licence revenue nest egg. >>> >>> Though with the .NET competition now I think its in their interest to >>> protect their J2EE market place by allowing open source solutions; >> otherwise >>> long term folks will just move away from J2EE. >> >> I think that it gets even worse for us - it's my understanding that since >> the J2EE licensees had to pay pots for the license, bring open-source-able >> JSR's into that umbrella will dilute the value of the licenses they own. >> Therefore, it's conceivable that would be a motivation to oppose the opening >> of the J2EE API's. > > This well may be case. It is pure speculation nonetheless. Or do you > know something I don't? I have no solid facts - no one has ever said to me "J2EE licensees protect their investment...", but it's a reasonable supposition. > > First, we don't know how much money Sun gets from licensing. > > Second, the price of the license will drop if independent > implementations are allowed. That depends on a few factors, such as what qualifies compatibility, but you are right, and the recent Great Leap Forward re the JSPA will address that. > For App Servers, I think the barrier of > entry is in the difficulty implementating the spec not in the licensing. > It's going to be JBoss, Weblogic, and Webspere for a long time. As > such, BEA and IBM will be thrilled to see a lower price -- assuming the > price was high. Seems that Macromedia Jrun is trying to compete in the space on price... And Jboss is a different thing, right? They pay nothing for the licensing, but don't get certified as a compatible J2EE impl. > Again, my claims are long on speculation and short on facts. > Me too :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting My inner cowboy needs to yodel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
