Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Agreed. Velocity looks better than JSP.
I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface likeStuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple
agreed
to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we
have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats.
agreed
Maybe once Sun's stock price dips below 1.0 will they wake up...I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business model...any busines model.....then sink slowly into the abyss taking java with them...but I think Sun today is the IBM of the 80s brought foward into the future given a jewel they have no idea what to do with (still).
Sun still has two pistols pointed at each foot daring folks to make them pull the trigger.. With the JCA issue they took some bullets out...
However Jon, we still don't have something with the really "balls" behind it. (excuse the crudity). . I mean something that is documented sufficiently, has the performance tools (transaction support, hi-performance pooling including connections and objects) behind it and has a non-sucky interface like EOB. EJB sucks, but app servers are necessary for a good many people. We've got bits and pieces of app servers...but we don't actually have one.
I plan on riding Paul's a** to finish getting an initial code base together and I'll help with more docs so that he can attract enough community. Having this thing here might drive some sort of cohesive app server development instead of the little fiefdoms (so far as app server stuff goes) we have today. Otherwise I think we'll kinda forefit our b*tching rights for not coming up with something better. As much as I like Marc, I hope we prove you right some day!
-Andy
-jon
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