On 26/10/02 15:20, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here will
> feel the same as I on this).
> 
> The opinion of Tapestry joining is very good.
> 
> Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything.  So different
> people feel differently.  We're still ironing out a new process as Pier said,
> however most folks I've spoken to have felt that the Apache voting rules must
> be adopted as a first step not later.  Dion and I have both committed to
> helping you with this transition (though I don't think he ever stated so
> publically...Dion?).  And I'll be happy to subscribe to the tapestry list if
> you desire and help you build the structure.

I don't quite understand on what you disagree... I remain in the position of
doubt, I agree completely that (quote) "the Apache voting rules must be
adopted as a first step not later", as I always believed that our voting
system is the key, but Sam (your Jakarta PMC president) is saying:

On 26/10/02 15:12, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I'm +1 overall, but as Peter aluded to previously there are some
> mechanics to be worked out.  This has nothing directly to do with your
> proposal, merely that there is a new "incubator" committee which is in
> the process of forming, and a strong desire for this to be used for
> contributions such as these.
> 
> So, in other words, you may very well get to be a guinee pig.  Whee!
> 
> For a peek into the current status, see http://incubator.apache.org/

Now, this looks like a little bit contradictory to me, you say "let's vote"
(and I assume that the Jakarta community needs to vote), the Jakarta
president says "let's make Incubator vote, and Tapestry be our guinea pig".

As I said, I'm not a part of this community (not a committer, not a PMC
member), neither a member of the Incubator community, but seeing it things
from a little bit of distance, WHO needs to vote? Jakarta or Incubator?

I still keep my reasonable doubt that _right_now_ timing is not right, and
that certain issues about who and where need to be solved before Tapestry,
or any other project FWIW, can land in the Apache sphere...

    Pier


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