+1 on accepting Tapestry as a Jakarta subproject under the mentorship of Andy Oliver, conditional upon successful incubation.

Next steps would be identifying the list of initial committers, cvs tree(s), and mailing list(s). But this can wait until the incubator PMC signs off on the subproject.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [VOTE] Tapestry / Incubator
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:35:31 -0500
From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tapestry Contrib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "Rodent of Unusual Size" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jakarta Project Management Committee List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <005001c2ada2$e6846a20$3dc41e42@howardczkz2sl3>

Ok, all the votes are in, except for Mind Bridge who I believe is
travelling. Not unexpected, all the votes were +1.

Once again, we've voted to go forward and move Tapestry towards Jakarta, via Incubator.

We're eagerly awaiting word from Jakarta about what the next steps should be.

I've attached the proposal again, for reference. Although we have to
migrate in through the Incubator, it looks like the proposal does not need to be changed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tapestry Contrib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:24 AM
Subject: [Tapestry-contrib] [VOTE] Tapestry / Incubator

> As Andrew has pointed out, the roadmap into Jakarta is in transition.
> like Tapestry gets to be the first project through the Incubator.
> Anyway, I believe this is more of a correction than a change of course,
> deserves a vote anyway.
> Howard Lewis Ship +1
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Tapestry Contrib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jim
> Jagielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jakarta Project
> Management Committee List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
> Subject: [Tapestry-contrib] Apache Proposal AGAIN
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The process for accepting a project into Apache has changed. Now all
> > projects need to go through the Incubator
> > [http://incubator.apache.org]. It is my opinion that this project
> > already meets the criteria for acceptance into Jakarta
> > however, the Apache board has added this step as a gate between here and
> > Jakarta.
> >
> > I suspect the "incubation" period will be short. There is a catch. We
> > will still have to apply to Jakarta after the incubation and
> > the process for incubation is not very well defined. There will be a
> > number of bumps in the road and issues to be addressed.
> >
> > However, I have the utmost confidence in this community and your talent
> > and abillity to work together and make decisions.
> > I am positive that this will be a fine addition to Apache in the end, in
> > particular Jakarta.
> >
> > With that being said, please consider this issue and signify whether I
> > should move forward with submitting the proposal to the
> > incubator.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Andy
> >
> >
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[0] rationale

Tapestry, currently housed at the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net), is a 
component-based web application framework.  Tapestry falls generally into the pull-MVC 
model of development.

Tapestry is designed specifically around the creation of completely re-usable 
components.  Components can easily be packaged into libraries and distributed within 
Jar files, even when they contain assets such as image files and stylesheets.

Tapestry is organized around an abstraction that isolates application-specific logic 
from the details of the servlet API, such as HttpSession, request, response, URLs and 
query parameters.

Tapestry is highly pluggable, allowing any and all behavior to be customized by 
subclassing appropriate base classes.

Tapestry is specifically not a JSP taglib.  Tapestry uses its own method for 
instrumenting HTML that is extremely non-obtrusive (it still previews properly in a 
WYSIWYG editor).  Tapestry has well specified, separate roles for HTML producers and 
Java developers, and allows them to work together without interfering with each other.

The goal of Tapestry is to shift much of the burden of developing web applications 
onto the framework, and free the developer to work cleanly and effectively without 
concern for the many small details of web application development.  The primary 
function of Tapestry is the automatic creation of URLs by the framework, facilitating 
a fine-grained dispatch model.  The bird's-eye view is that, in Tapestry, actions 
(such as clicking a link, or submitting a form) are associated with a particular 
component and, through a simple delegation system, a particular bit of user code.  
There is no global registry of actions, as in Struts, and it's easy to create reusable 
components that define their own behaviors (in terms of links or forms), independent 
of the containing page.

Tapestry applications can be extremely sophisticated with surprisingly little code.

Tapestry includes a significant amount of documentation describing its strengths and 
features in great detail, available at http://tapestry.sf.net.  Live demos, a great 
collection of user quotes, extensive documentation (HTML and PDF) and a recent code 
coverage report are all online.

Tapestry has been an open-source project on SourceForge since June 2000.  Milestone 
releases (such as 2.1 in July, or the just-released 2.2) result in 6K - 7K downloads 
(increasing by over 1K downloads with each successive release).  Tapestry has averaged 
over 3000 downloads a month during 2002, with peaks above 8K/month.

Tapestry has recently adopted Apache meritocracy rules to govern the project.  The 
license for Tapestry has been changed from LGPL to Apache Software License.

[0.1] criteria

Meritocracy:  Tapestry follows the Apache meritocracy rules, with a core of committers.

Community:  Tapestry has a modest, but very active community, centered around a user's 
mailing list (approx. 200 members), a developer's mailing list, and the Tapestry Wiki 
(http://tapestry.sf.net/wiki).  The mailing lists have an exceptionally good 
signal-to-noise ratio; discussions typically revolve around planning new extensions to 
the framework, creating new components and documentation, and diagnosing developer 
issues.  The developer's mailing list is used primarily for voting, and for 
discussions about votes.  A secondary project, to provide a community component 
repository is now underway (http://sf.net/projects/tacos).

Core Developers.  Tapestry has an active and dedicated team of committers.  The 
project was founded by Howard Lewis Ship, who is extremely dedicated to Tapestry and 
authored the majority of the codebase.  Richard Lewis-Shell and Mind Bridge are 
frequent contributors of components and bug fixes as well as some significant 
extensions.  Neil Clayton and Malcolm Edgar provide code and significant amounts of 
documentation.  Geoff Longman has created an excellent plugin for the Eclipse IDE (as 
a separate project) and provides code to keep the two projects in sync.  Several other 
developers contribute bug fixes, components and documentation.

Alignment:  Tapestry makes use of the ORO, commons-lang and commons-logging packages 

Scope:  Tapestry is entirely a server-side framework, well aligned with the overall 
goals of the Jakarta project.

[0.2] warning signs

Orphaned products.  Tapestry is far from orphaned, it was originally conceived and 
executed specifically as an open-source project.

Inexperience:  Howard Lewis Ship has been coding, documenting, mentoring and managing 
this open source project for nearly three years.  Others on the team have been 
actively using, supporting and extending Tapestry for over a year.

Homogeneous Developers:  The current Tapestry committers include representatives from 
Canada, England, Australia and New Zealand; other, more occasional, contributors 
represent South America and Asia.  This is just the opposite of the "smoke filled 

Reliance on Salaried Developers:  Tapestry is largely developed during free time. Many 
contributions are developed by consultants to address specific needs of their clients, 
then modularized and provided back to the community (for example, Geoff is developing 
a workflow management subsystem for Tapestry that may be released into the framework 
proper when completed).  Increasingly, developers are finishing projects with Tapestry 
and contributing components created for those projects back into the project.

No ties to other Apache Products:  As stated above, Tapestry makes use of the ORO and 
commons packages and has numerous places where greater integration with Jakarta could 
occur.  It is servlet container agnostic, working well with Tomcat, Jetty, Resin and 

Fascination with Apache Brand:  Tapestry has been, and always will be an open-source 

[0.3] overlap with Turbine

Turbine has a similar model to Tapestry, but the focus of the two projects is somewhat 
divergent.  Turbine is a service-oriented where Tapestry is component-oriented.  
Turbine provides a larger toolkit (in the form of services) for aspects of the 
application not related directly to the presentation layer.  Tapestry provides more 
flexibility and power in the presentation layer but doesn't provide any other services 
(such as scheduling, database access, security, etc.).

Many Tapestry users are employing Tapestry for the presentation layer, but leverage 
the many Turbine services (especially Torque).

[1] scope of subproject

The project shall create and maintain packages written in the Java programming 
language constituting the framework itself, a standard library of additional 
components, documentation, a web site and additional examples.

[2] identify the initial source from which the project is to be populated

The project currently resides on the SourceForge (http://tapestry.sf.net).

[3] identify the Jakarta resources to be created

[3.1] mailing lists(s)


[3.2] CVS repositories


[3.3] Bugzilla

framework - tapestry
components - web site, contrib library, documentation, examples

[3.4] Wiki

It is desired that a Wiki be setup.  Use of the current Wiki 
(http://tapestry.sf.net/wiki) has proven highly successful in supporting distributed 
design, discussion and decision making, as well as providing a home for temporary 
documentation until permanent documentation changes occur.  We would prefer MoinMoin, 
a Python Wiki implementation.

[4] identify the initial set of committers

Mind Bridge             mindbridge      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Neil Clayton            nclayton        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Malcolm Edgar           medgar          [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Lewis-Shell     rlewisshell     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Howard Lewis Ship       hlship          [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Geoff Longman           glongman        [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[5] identify apache sponsoring individuals

Andrew C. Oliver
dIon Gillard

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