Jason van Zyl wrote:

> Gump _never_ used an object model, never. Gump was targeted at overall
> control by a small set of people (and it's still that way, no one
> outside of Jakarta/XML barely knows what it is) to build sources against
> CVS. That's not what Maven was ever targeted at, ever. Maven uses Ant
> but Ant has no concept of an object model either. I definitely admit to
> not wanting to use the Gump descriptor and that's proven to be a good
> thing. If you call Maven a duplicate of a tool that generates 30k line
> shell scripts then do as you please.

So what ?

The point is that setting a standard for the repository and descriptor
should be apache wide. What is used to implement it is completely 
irrelevant. The descriptor and repositories consist of files and 
protocols - that can be implemented in gump, ant or plain java.


> _before I ever knew of Maven_ That's fine. Don't presume to know how
> long I've been thinking of Maven before the first line of code landed
> anywhere.

This is not a contest of who tought first - you're not getting a pattent.
People have been thinking about CPAN/CJAN and build tools for a long
time, and what matters is finding a common solution that is independent
of a particular build tool.


> Give me a break. Again like a pluggable functionality is a radical new
> idea. Your plugins are ant build files. So you came out first with a way

Like a CPAN repository or dependency tracking is a radical new idea... 

> I don't care what you do or do not do. I didn't want any part of Gump
> code, 30k lines shells scripts, a DOM model or a big heap of ant build
> files. So yes, I am the one who advocated not working together but I
> certainly wasn't the only one who felt like that.

There are people who don't care of Maven code too - I use Ant and 
I'm happy with it. I care about a standard descriptor, layout and repository
- and that standard can only happen if it is accepted by all tools and
projects.


Costin



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