Point taken.  I'll pursue this there.  I don't expect things to happen at
the snap of my fingers, I just want feedback that issues are being resolved.
I'll make that case at infrastructure.

--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:47 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Eyebrowse problem?
> 
> 
> Hi Howard,
> 
> Lets get a few things straight.  This isn't a "Jakarta" 
> thing.  Apache 
> expands beyond Jakarta.  In fact this is
> not the proper place for this request.  The proper place is 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> 
> Please note that I would be happy to help with this, however I do not 
> have the necessary karma or probably even the
> expertise. 
> 
> Please take note of the tone of your email.  I understand your 
> frustration, this is a volunteer organization, and while the 
> volunteer 
> system
> works well for software, it is not always great for infrastructure. 
> 
> Regardless, this is where we are.  You're asking for someone 
> to do you a 
> "favor" and fix eyebrowse.  Do you feel your tone does
> it in a way that will motivate them to do so?
> 
> Let us now address the bugzilla issue.  I've noted my preference for 
> this as well, however, I do not currently have the bandwidth 
> necessary to drive the discussion towards that.  You, 
> however, are empowered to do 
> so!  Join the infrastructure list and start the discussion.  
> I would suggest that in order to be effective, you describe 
> the problem 
> (calmly), describe the solution, the best alternative and why 
> you feel 
> bugzilla would
> be appropriate.  Inevitably someone will argue against it or 
> just "for" 
> the status quo.  Through persistance, offering to help manage 
> it, etc, your issue may be addressed.
> 
> Complaining about jakarta on this mail list will probably just peeve 
> people off and serve you nothing, although you're certainly 
> welcome to 
> try it.
> Is this the most judicious use of your (and others') time?
> 
> A man once said "You decide".
> 
> -Andy
> 
> 
> 
> Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
> 
> >Many of my users have complained that Tapestry is no longer being 
> >archived. I did a little poke around eyebrowse, and not only is 
> >Tapestry not archived, none of the lists seems to have been updated 
> >since late february.
> >
> >Once again, its all chaos at Jakarta.  I don't understand 
> why the folks 
> >with the capabilities and responsibilities to handle infrastructure 
> >issues and requests don't take five minutes to set up a BugZilla 
> >category for these things.  Instead, it is left to endless 
> e-mails, no 
> >tracking, nothing gets done ...
> >
> >--
> >Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components 
> >http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:25 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Cc: Magesh Umasankar
> >>Subject: Re: Eyebrowse problem?
> >>
> >>
> >>On 20/3/03 21:03 "Magesh Umasankar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>All I get when trying to look up any archived
> >>>message thread is $msgHeaders as the meat of it.
> >>>
> >>>What is going on?
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>We're aware of it... Will be fixed hopefully soon...
> >>
> >>    Pier
> >>
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