On 5/28/03 10:03 AM, "Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Don't you think JBoss' huge success has something to do with Sun's >>>> animosity? Every developer I know who has a say on the platform uses >>>> JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower >>>> price. >>> >>> Don't read me wrong: I'm on the JBoss-side on this, in that *the >>> project* should be able to present itself on a JUG event. When comparing >>> *JBossGroup* with the ASF however (if that would be possible at all), I >>> partially understand Pier's reservations. This doesn't mean SunBE is >>> right on this, however. The fact a (pardon me) marketing lowlife >>> believes he can silently get away with that is once again a great >>> occasion to help such people see the cluetrain is arriving. >> >> I *would* agree if the other vendors weren't being permitted. I fail to see >> what compliance should have to do with it. Its a Javapolis not a J2EEpolis. > > All other vendors are permitted, and all other vendors had to pay for their > compliancy... Why is JBoss Group LLC different? Noone AFAIK ever told them > "no you can't", I believe they were just told "please pay the fee exactly > like every other vendor does". > Because its a JUG event! There are NON-J2EE projects/vendors present. J2EE certification is entirely besides the point! Its a vendor manipulating an event and compromising the independence and integrity of a non-profit developer organization. Actually, they were originally told no. Then they were told yes, but fork up the cash. Since the money arrangements are under NDA we will never know if IBM paid $5 and Jboss was told to cough up $100, but that's Sun. Its funny they operate so much out of the Sun. ;-) Shrug, but I think we're running off topic. The point was Sun was tempering good with bad and that we should all be wary that they are not feeling like respecting sponsored organizations' independence. It was intended as something like one of Steven's community weather reports (which I wish he did more often). -Andy > Pier > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
