On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:12:17PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > On 7/3/03 7:24 PM, "Greg Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 3. Jakarta - IMHO this the best place for it. > >> > >> The division of XML vs Jakarta predates me for certain, but I think the main > >> issues surrounding that are rusty. > > > > The problem is Jakarta itself. Centering a PMC around a *language* rather > > than functionality is the inherent problem. These questions will continue to > > arise over and over. > > What's done is done. As a Jakarta committer I always feel like the guy > wearing a "I'm here I'm queer deal with it" shirt at a Republican National > Convention.
Heh :-) Oh, what was done [Jakarta] was done *very well*. Don't get me wrong on that. I'm simply trying to point out that a language-oriented PMC is going to continue to cause decision-making problems like this. Am I suggesting unwinding Jakarta *because* it is language-oriented? Not at all. I *would* like to see more TLPs spin out of Jakarta, though. The Board doesn't have near enough insight into the major Jakarta projects: Tomcat, Struts, Turbine, Velocity, Gump, etc. > > When Grisha Trubetskoy wanted to contribute mod_python to the ASF, a good > > number of people called for creating a 'python' TLP. The Board decided to > > stop perpetrating the per-language concept. Instead, mod_python was added to > > the Apache HTTP Server Project (it *is* a module for Apache httpd, after > > all). mod_php, mod_perl, and mod_tcl fall under the same argument, of > > course, but they get a Grandfather Pass :-) > > I'm getting de ja vu... You don't like this community. I get it... I'll > file this on the appropriate file system for such information. So Jakarta > is the grandfather of them all... Etc etc Feh. I didn't say that, and you know it :-) The community is just fine and has done great stuff. I think the language focus of the Jakarta, Perl, PHP, and TCL TLPs is the wrong axis for slicing up where to put codebases. I also think Jakarta is "too big" and needs to spin out some TLPs. But "don't like this community" ?!?! Hah. >... > I agree. The question for them: "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" ;-) Euh... :-) Cheers, -g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ASF Chairman ... http://www.apache.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
