On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Santiago Gala wrote: > The reverse of this is that I don't often see Jakarta, Tomcat, > Ant, Velocity, Xerces or Xalan referenced as Apache XXX. So, it > looks like the people cannot stick two words together and still be > a brand. > > Side Note: It reminds me of the GNU/Linux stuff (or even GNU > Emacs). It simply doesn't stick.
Much agreed, and ideally we could rebrand the HTTPD project as just that, 'HTTPD'. No Apache prefix, as you're right, none of the other projects use the Apache prefix (maybe because it's already taken by HTTPD?). I thought of proposing this rename to just HTTPD, but could see it getting even more backlash than the 'Apache' -> 'Apache HTTPD' rename. If we went straight 'Apache' -> 'HTTPD', then there'd be a hard conversion for, say, system admins scrolling through install screens (or the FreeBSD ports collection) looking for 'Apache 1.x/2.x' and not seeing anything. Think of all the confusion renaming something like 'apachectl' to 'httpdctl' or just 'httpd' would cause. In theory, I'm all for it, and the purist side of me really likes it, but I was trying to be a bit more pragmattic. With the 'Apache HTTPD' rename, I think it'd easier politically to get the change through in places like Redhat, FreeBSD ports collection, etc. > I copy community (on political principles). If you want to raise > awareness of such an "Apache wide" fact, don't do it in a "java > only" place like Jakarta. Makes sense; I had forgotten this 'general' was at 'jakarta.apache.org' instead of just 'apache.org'. Actually, I think I'd like to get support for this before taking it to community. If people here at Jakarta don't want to go ahead with pursuing a rebranding effort, then I wouldn't bother raising it on community. Also, thinking about the strict 'Apache' -> 'HTTPD' rename, just 'HTTPD' sounds rather clunky (to me, perhaps being naive). If the HTTPD community doesn't like being called just httpd, what if we did an even more drastic rename? A la the Mozilla Phoenix -> Mozilla Firebird rename. It might actually work better, because if it's a bigger deal then just 'Apache' -> 'Apache HTTPD', we could get lots of publicity on slashdot and other tech sites to inform end users of the change and hopefully avert some of the backlash on 'apache' no longer being in ports/installers/paths/etc. - Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
