Tim,

AFAIK, Neither the Apache Board nor the Jakarta PMC has engaged JBoss
or taken a stand on the situation. Whereas folks top down in JBoss
have consistently sang the same tune. I personally faced this
situation at WS-Edge 2005
(http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=46047) when Marc brought this
up in a public forum (and me and geir remained silent on the issue).

So, in your opinion, the Apache Board and Jakarta PMC should stay out
of this *AS USUAL* (Please note that as individuals people can do what
they want and the Board nor the PMC has any control). Right?

-- dims

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:06:50 -0500, Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Torsten Curdt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > As a matter of fact we have quite some committers in our
> > community that are sponsored by the companies they are
> > working for. Who is able to define whether who is the
> > "leading" or "main" contributor? I would not want to risk
> > picking the wrong one and pissing off other contributors. So
> > either name them all or drop this classification. Terms like
> > "main" or "leading"
> > are a problem.
> >
> 
> Again, anyone outside of the ASF is allowed to make any observations
> they feel are warranted - regardless of ASF corporate policy.  It might
> fly in the face of what the ASF wants, but it doesn't make the statement
> valid or invalid.  Whether the PRC agrees with "a leading", "the
> leading", "a main", "the main", makes little difference.  SD can say
> what they say; the real issue is the relationship between the ASF and
> JBoss.
> 
> People at the ASF are so "worked up" over JBoss in particular (and vice
> versa).  Every time someone outside of both ASF and JBoss just makes an
> observation that JBoss is a leading contributor, we set up the PR
> machine and launch off some emails, maybe a few people will go over to
> the TSS forums and blow up at Jboss people, and I could expect a few
> nasty blog rants from both sides.  I just don't think it's constructive,
> that's all.  Believe me now or hear me later - there are good things to
> be gained from calming this situation down a little.
> 
> Tim
> 
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