It's never bad to clarify things.
For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of the project is "Apache Tomcat". Someone should send a mail to tomcat-dev to inform them, the tomcat site is under the impression that it's called "Apache Jakarta Tomcat" - and almost all docs and packages and books are 'jakarta-tomcat'.
I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for every use of "Tomcat" and if we are going to send an email every time a company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an apache project. And I would feel much better if such rules would be written down ( so we can point people to it - and use them in all cases).
I'm -1 if this is only about Jboss, it's just not fair.
If tomcat would be a top level project instead of jakarta-tomcat, most likely Remy would be the PMC chair. Acording to ASF rules, the PMC chair is the ultimate decision maker for a project.
It seems the notion of 'project leads' is not accepted by some - yet
the entire legal organisation of apache is based on a top-down hieararhy
( Board -> PMC chair ). I don't know what is worse - the perception people have about things, or the reality.
Costin
Henri Yandell wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bill Barker wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jagielski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <general@jakarta.apache.org> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change
Henri Yandell wrote:
It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to
discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism.
There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation
could point out that "Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David Graham was the lead
developer" (Sorry David :) ).
That may be true, but certainly we do have the right and responsibility
to ensure that our desires, as far as how we run and represent ourselves,
is accurate as well.
It has always been a major foundation of the ASF that projects are built and developed by communities, not individuals. Terms such as "lead" or "main" do cause harm to the community and have always been actively avoided.
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
Yeah I've noticed.
So far we have Costin, Mladen, Remy and yourself all fairly nonplussed by it all. Nothing from Yoav yet. Unsure who else is highly active in Tomcat at the moment.
Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity, apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta community at large and apart from Tim who feels that we should focus on the Tomcat and JBoss sites and not SD's release, that community is in favour.
I'm trying to walk the line here :) I do think the 'leading' is wrong, and it's worth the ASF doing its best to sell its philosophy of community developed software. All the suggestions to soften my email are very well received, I was trying for informal but failed (I'm trained to only use small talk when holding a beer).
However, unless the Tomcat developers want to -1 the email, the consensus is to send it out (with a few minor, suggested changes). A quick show of hands on tomcat-dev to the idea of sending a -1 to the general@ list might be simpler than sending various -1s and -0s to the list individually.
I'll put back the estimated send-time until tomorrow night (28 hours from now basically).
Hen
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