Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> I think it is a bad idea.  Either a project is alive or it is dead and
> most of the dead are not coming back.  The site, the project and
> everything else should reflect this.
> 
> I suggest that:
> 
> 1. ECS
> 2. ORO
> 3. Regexp


> 4. Alexandria (already does basically)

Was closed down about a year ago.


> 
> all have a page that looks like this one:
> http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html
> 
> Stating that the projects are dead and state what things have taken
> their place and provide links.  There is
> no need for an artificial "dev" list or "users" list.  Just close the
> lists.  (If you disagree look at the list archive for
> each over the last 6 months and see if you REALLY disagree in more than
> THEORY).

I know how the lists look like, I am subscribed to all Jakarta lists (bugzilla 
is the most active
developer on these lists ;).  These projects may be dead currently from a 
developer perspective
(ignoring Daniels mail here for a moment), but hardly from a user perspective. 
And there is
currently talk amongst users on eg ecs to potentially start activity. I like 
that to get more
visibility and opportunity, which is now "hidden" in the ecs lists.
Also I like the message on a website to contain something more than just the 
message "this project
is dead" with some links. I rather state how people can get active on these 
projects again and I
like to point them to a central dev list, instead a (potentially) forgotten dev 
list.

When you want to close down the user list, should we point people to the 
general list for their
support questions (which doesn't happen often, but it happens) ?

Mvgr,
Martin

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