Apologies for the top post. This puts us back to square one, with noone, at least from Jakarta, apparently interested in being champion, rendering the whole discussion moot. ;) Is there an appropriate next step other than simply forgetting about incubating?
-Matt --- Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/9/07, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Niall Pemberton wrote: > > > On 3/9/07, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Matt Benson wrote: > > >> > --- Niall Pemberton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > [SNIP] > > >> >> I didn't know whether this had been done > before in > > >> >> Commons - but seems > > >> >> that it has for the Commons CSV component > back in > > >> >> December 2005: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/jakarta-commons-csv.html > > >> > > > >> > Actually I knew about this but thought I > remembered > > >> > someone (Henri?) saying later that having > gotten the > > >> > code in this way might not have been the best > choice > > >> > in retrospect. Does that ring any bells with > anyone? > > >> > > >> Yep that rings a bell and going down that route > again, is not > > >> something that has my support for > > >> *new* components (which this is). If the code > is destined for an > > >> existing codebase, we could do the > > >> IP route, else I would like to see some level > of incubation (besides > > >> handling ip). See the > > >> discussion on not-yet-commons ssl. > > > > > > I'm wondering why? Seems to me that this is a > slightly different > > > situation to either CSV or the SSL situations > since one of the > > > developers is an existing ASF and Commons > committer. > > > > There are new committers involved. With CSV Henri > is a committer (not talking karma here) (and me > > too, although we are both not very active). I > think when new people are involved incubation > (besides > > legal) should occur (even though the community > import isn't that big, compared to similar situation > > like activemq, servicemix, etc, where the core > developers are actually ASF Members) > > > > In case of this scenario (and ssl) I "envision" > this for incubation : > > > > - Get the people on board as a committer on the > initial proposal > > - Have them *show* that they are here to stay for > an x amount of time > > - Ideally have the normal exit criteria, although > I can imagine for commons a slightly weaker exit > > strategy may be adapted (don't think the incubator > thinks that eg 3 committers on a project is a > > vibrant community, although within commons it > definitely will be!). > > - Get a release out. > > > > If someone starts hacking on code in the sandbox I > am ok with that, but rather not see new code > > again hitting the sandbox, since we "don't" accept > new committers on sandbox components and it > > doesn't have the ability to have a release > (disclaimer : I became committer in Jakarta because > of a > > sandbox component, ahum). > > > > I highly prefer that incubating commons components > to use the commons-dev and commons-user list, > > since to do development however, since it would be > quite a cultural shock when moving from incubator > > specific lists to the commons ones. > > > > Disclaimer : this is just a brain dump and I would > love to see some new projects at Jakarta, but I > > think we also need to figure out how we should > handle that in a constructive way and prevent > > feedparser and csv situations. > > OK, good explanation - sounds reasonable to me. > You're right going the > incubator route would bring Matt Sgarlata in with > the code which would > be more desirable. > > Niall > > > Mvgr, > > Martin > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
